Suburbia may be a good place to shelter toddlers, but as soon as a child is more than about 6 years old, being trapped in a mcmansion on the edge of town seriously inhibits their growth and independence. They might be able to walk to a friend’s house, if they’re lucky enough to live somewhere with a sidewalk, but they’re unlikely to be able to walk to school, or anywhere else for that matter. …
… And it’s more than just school, too. Kids have lots of sports and other activities, so [in better urbanist places] it’s very common to see children walking or cycling while dressed in football gear (not [American] football) or hockey gear (not [ice] hockey), because they travel to all these activities by themselves.
In the US and Canada you have the stereotype of the suburban ‘soccer mum’, the mother who spends all of her time shuttling her kids around from school to activities to playdates and back. Because until a kid is about 16 years old and has their own driver’s licence, they need to be driven around everywhere by their parents. And this is considered ‘normal’.
— Jason Slaughter, 2022
People blame the phones but what else.do.they.have to do? I know I didn’t spend all day online by choice as a teen
You’ve touched on the point Jason raises in literally the very next sentence after the quote I shared in the video that quote comes from.
I’ve seen this show! Ted Danson punts a little dog into the sun!
The Good Place doesn’t have cars, except for when Michael and Brent are being awful.
if you can’t be responsible and respectful with SIX neighbors then you don’t deserve the privilege of owning property.
Houses are too big + the yards too small.
No thanks.
I suddenly remember all those 80s and 90s sitcoms where the friends live right nearby and wall right into each others homes without knocking and just start talking without any greetings. This picture is just as unrealistic.
Everyone’s dream =
I’m not seeing an A/C unit on this thing anywhere.
No one outside of high school has six friends.
No one makes friends with six random neighbors. And certainly they don’t all consider each other friends.
There’s a reason this is called a “dream”.
No one outside of high school has six friends.
Me, a guy with maybe a dozen friends I hang out with on a weekly basis, whistling past the graveyard of loneliness
There’s a reason this is called a “dream”.
One trick to living in a cul de sac with six of your closest friends is to meet your neighbors and become friends with them. I’ll say that COVID really helped me with this, personally, because during the peak I was just out on the driveway or walking the local trails trying not to go stir crazy and… so was everyone else. Pretty soon we were doing impromptu parties on the driveway and yoga on the lawn and whatever else we could to avoid the isolation of a pandemic.
But you don’t need a killer virus to wave to your neighbors, say hi, and strike up a conversation. And there’s a compounding effect. When two people are out talking, you’re likely to pick up a third. When five people are hanging out at the end of a day, it can quickly become ten or more.
If it’s an instinctual response to wish for this kind of thing, it shouldn’t be hard to imagine people gravitating towards these relationships IRL.
prove it
Who is out here with that many friends??
Leave some for the rest of us.
I’ll never understand why US suburbs like to utterly nuke any kind of nature around their houses and replace it with “lawns”. Like, I’d rip that stuff out and at least plant some potats and shit immediately.
A lawn is generally easier to take care of than a collection of various plants and trees. First thing I do at any new home is plant a fuck ton of edible plants, and my neighbors always talk about not having the time or energy to do the same
It is actually a anticommunist thing
Also a chem industry lobbying to sell fertilizers, herbicides, insecticides and paint
Care to elaborate?
I heard of that, I think it was some propaganda piece. Like “look at those poor sovjets, have to grow their own food because the state can’t provide. Meanwhile we’re so civilized and advanced”. (Interesting sidenote: The culture of huge lawns came from the UK I think, rich people in the 1800 and 1900 displayed their wealth that way).
Not saying it wasn’t like that in some places, just that it’s so unfathomably stupid. And now there are US Tiktokers talking about “lifehacks” of growing your own food, with other US Tiktokers calling people who do that libtard commies and whatnot. US culture is a disaster on life support.
I just can’t fathom why seemingly a whole class of US citizens apparently aren’t able to use their damn heads and still do this nonsense.
Coming from the UK is correct, it was literally an artistocratic flex at having literally useless land. I read a dissertation a few years back that also linked this to a Baudrillard style simulationist desire for the upper class not to see land with any practical value immediately besides their homes because they were resistant to accept that their wealth was exercised from any real action, and instead they’d pretend it was just a truth. But beyond the lawns were forests and fields, because they had to exist.
When lawns were adopted by the bourgeoisie, who only had half an acre of property, it was already trendy to have the surrounding acres of the house be only lawn. The bourgeoisie simulation was to have the house surrounded by lawns as if it were to then give way to fields and forests, which of course did not exist, just your neighbours equally ugly plot of land.
What I never understood about all of this though, is that gardens are equally cosmetic vanity. I have fond memories of the garden of my grandmother, which has a small greenhouse and two raised vegetable beds at the back, but everything else was flower beds, a pond, a summer pavillion, a small lawn, a shed and a scattering of trees and bushes. Other than the small sections for growing vegetables, it was all entirely for vanity. But it was beautiful. Hell, the small lawn was even pretty functional as the primary place to set up chairs in the sun and play ball games.
I am British, and once this island was forest and mountains from shore to shore, with meadows and plains being rare. The lawn never made sense here, and caught on less in in the Soviet Bloc as plains become more common in nature. America is a land with far more natural plains, and the lawn is further removed from it’s original status. It’s imitating an imitation of a denial of reality, Baudrillard would have a field day.
But I did mention, in my grandmother’s garden, playing ball games on the lawn. American sport is largely built on the suburban madness that is lawns. I’m not talking about sport born in urban centers like basketball, or sports from true rural areas, which I can only assume is rednecks drink driving, if watching US shows has told me anything, but Baseball, American Football and even golf are sports made for lawns. It’s hard to detangle lawns from middle class America without stopping middle class kids play sports in their gardens.
One day they’ll add vegetable gardening to the Olympics and America will be saved, and Joseph McCarthy will be stuck in hell on his fucking lawn.
sports from true rural areas, which I can only assume is rednecks drink driving
We also hunt deer, go fishing, and throw brean bags into a wooden box called a “corn hole”.
You’re not supposed to tell them about corn holing! You have to wait until they’re at a BBQ to spring it on them and expect them to participate without any explanation.
Every year, my company has a company-wide cornhole tournament at our all-employee bbq shindig. I entered it last year, assuming it was a casual fun thing and everyone there played once or twice a year, like me. I’m from two states away, and it really isn’t as big here. It was not casual. These people brought their own bags, some well over $100 a set. I was embarrassingly outclassed. Out in the first round. This year is corn hole and go karts. I’m going to try that instead this year.
It’s hard to detangle lawns from middle class America without stopping middle class kids play sports in their gardens.
They still play on the lawn? Thought by now they’re kept mostly indoors (or in cars) for helicopter-parent-reasons, safety or sth. At least that’s what I heard. A german news moderator for the US also mentioned it once, some Karens in the neighborhood thought of child neglect because the kids were playing in the front yard or going to the playground alone (gasp!).
Not really getting the point though. Most lawns are huge, there’s enough space for playtime and some nice flowers or vegetables. Most houses even have a front and back lawn…
sports from true rural areas, which I can only assume is rednecks drink driving
You know how europeans think that yellow school busses must be a movie trope, but they really are everywhere all the time in America?
Same concept
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQaMr3UHOWE
“No mam who owns his home and lot can be a communist, he has too much work to do”
- William Levitt
It’s just that much easier for developers to raze all plants to the ground before grading and running other heavy equipment. These are new construction and so those developers aren’t accountable to anyone, and I’m sure the local jurisdiction doesn’t care. That’s not a justification, for what it’s worth, just an explanation.
What I’ve never been sure of is why people don’t eventually realize how much nicer everything would be if they just replanted trees (or left them in the first place) but they seem to be used to suburban hell. If you drive everywhere it’s less of an issue that your environment is shit.
You’re assuming people who are forced to buy into the suburban hell have a choice.
If a person had a choice between a 100k house in a suburban hell or a 100k house in secluded heaven. That they pick the suburban hell.
Have you seen the housing market in the US?
It’s also funny how “Suburban” meaning has changed. It’s supposed to be non-urban.
But with these “suburban” neighborhoods in cities. It has basically became a word for a neighborhood with houses built next to each other and less about where it’s located.
Suburbs use to be an inexpensive option as opposed to urban living.
Can confirm. I am trapped in suburbia for at least three more years.
I can’t wait to head for the hills.
If a person had a choice between a 100k house in a suburban hell or a 100k house in secluded heaven. That they pick the suburban hell
Because of jobs. Unless you are retired or able to work remotely, jobs are a leash that control where you can live.
And even if you do work remotely, you can’t count on that lasting forever.
One of the primary reasons I actively chose the suburbs was so that I’d be able to get another job if I lost my fully remote job. After ten years, exactly that happened, and I got a job with a commute to downtown.
I’d be able to get another job if I lost my fully remote job
Not having other job options is quite a risk. Small towns that rely on one main employer are usually devastated if that employer relocates or shuts down.
Also big box stores are usually not too far away by design I’d wager. I’ve heard zoning laws caused most of the US to be a complete desert for shopping unless you have a car since everything is so centralized. Depending on the state a “secluded heaven” might very well be dozens of kilometers away from the market, right?
I can’t even imagine this… no matter where I lived so far in Germany, let it be countryside, city or at the city border, there always were small shops, kiosks and/or bakeries nearby (<1km). I can’t fathom having to drive even if I’m just craving some candy while living in what’s supposed to be a proper neighborhood.
Don’t they also have these “neighborhood associations” that forbid them to do anything that falls out of line?
HOAs are indeed common in the “land of the free”.
even without HOA. non HOA streets often also maintain a perfect lawn
I don’t get it.
hate lawn maintenance, I find that if you let it run wild and full of local wild vegetation they are so much prettier and fun to look out, look at all those butterflies and bees.
Pest control might be part of it.
Pests, like birds, butterflies, bees…
I once had a distant relative react to a worried conversation about the extreme reduction of insects in nature with “but that’s great! Way less moscitos, and a clean windshield!”.
I swear to all higher beings, I never wanted to punch a stupid person more than in that moment.
So what I suspect happens is that in newer development communities, the people building them just seem to find it easier to level/bulldoze an entire plot of land to build a neighborhood. Then they just don’t feel like putting plants and trees back in after construction is complete out of pure cost and laziness.
For older neighborhoods in the US, you’ll find a lot more foliage. I love it when I go to an older neighborhood that has large trees that canopy the area. They do exist here…it’s just that they have to be a bit older. My condo complex has some wonderful tall trees and plants everywhere. It’s not a new complex though and they seem to care more about plantife than some others do. They even randomly planted a massive tree last year for some reason lol. Seemed to require some pretty big machinery to haul it and put it in lol.
Before I bought my current place, there was another complex I was looking at. The trees were even larger and provided even more of a canopy across the area. It was gorgeous. And again, the neighborhood was a bit older.
Yeah, it’s impossible to develop a greenfield site without scraping everything off. You have to create and get approval on water runoff management plan for any new development. That means grading everything and often these days it also means managing and impounding water on-site without dumping it all into the (overloaded) storm drain system. When there’s no grass you have to install silt fences to keep silt out of nearby streams while building. You can’t get final approval, and remove the silt fence, until there is some kind of ground cover and that basically means grass since it grows fast and is easy to apply. Even if you somehow left the trees there’s no way they’d survive the process.
Fuck McMansion developers, and fuck lawns, don’t get me wrong. But it’s a reflection of an entire system of land-use policy and not just stupidity, or whatever.
I’m unsure if I’m allowed to have tomatoes growing but so far no one has said anything so places without hoa care a lot less!
Imagine not being able to decide what you grow in your own yard. Wild.
OH FUCKING GOD, YOU MEAN I’VE CONSENSUALLY AGREED TO A COMMUNITY SET OF RULES? THE FUCKING HORROR OF THIS SHIT SHOW!!!
If you have to agree to it to buy something as basic as a home then it isn’t truly consensual. Hell, it isn’t even truly consensual for less necessary stuff like cars (you “agree” to surveillance - arguably a necessity in less developed places), digital goods (same - also more or less necessity), games (you agree to not own dogshit) and other things. Hell, you keep “agreeing” to workplace rules supposedly “freely”, but we all know it isn’t.
There are certain basic rules everyone has to agree to (laws) to uphold society, but other than that any agreement like HOAs have to be truly optional if your argument is supposed to work. And no, just “going elsewhere” isn’t a fucking option in the current disastruous market. Especially since that nonsense appears to be so common in the US.
🙄👌 whatever you need to tell yourself
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Beep.
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The only laws I’m sure the township has is lawn height. I don’t think it says anything about gardening things. I’m glad to not be in a hoa?
With lawn height you mean they heard the scientists and you need to have a couple square feet of uncut lawn, right?
They don’t care about the backyard if its fenced so…sort of???
In a neighborhood like that, you’d probably end up with a fine and they’d charge you to ‘fix’ it for you.
Grove Street, home.
Plus that big wide field where your kids are going to be snacked up by rocs.
I’ve seen people rag on the suburbia of it all but no one has questioned the premise. If the suburban housing was the premise, then it shouldn’t matter who the neighbors are and the length of time would be irrelevant: you just wouldn’t want to live in the suburbs.
The premise is implying something about the idea of living by friends is masking the inherent problems with the situation. And that mask would fall off after some time had passed. But, if you don’t like the suburbs as 90% of y’all felt compelled to make clear, why would that be suppressed and only resurface after time passes?
Why would living by friends turn into a nightmare scenario? If you can’t stand being neighbors with them, then I’d argue you guys weren’t really friends. Or you have novel ideas about how much you have to interact with neighbors.
Where does friend 3 park?
do you not see the giant cul de sac right in the middle
Lots of places street parking is illegal. It doesn’t allow access for snow ploughs, street cleaners, garbage pickup, busses, etc.
There are dozens of suburbs just like this that ban street parking! DOZENS OF THEM!
Skipping past the overwhelming use case to be pedantic about an edge case is an absolute waste of everyone’s time and energy. It’s entirely unhelpful and painfully prevalent in these parts.
to add to this private driveways make single family homes even worse for cities and the environment by lowering density even farther. before private driveways were the default homes were much closer to the road and you were just expected to park on the side and cities built that way are way nicer to walk around
All of what you said is true, but it’s still odd to see a suburban house with no driveway. Odd enough that I’m curious about it, too.
It’s also the only one without a driveway. Most of the time, these houses are made in batches and are the same or similar to each other. If none of the houses had a driveway, I’d assume they actually were very close to public transit.
“Busses”, lol.
School buses
Friend 3 subscribes to c/FuckCars.
Friends 1 and 7 control the choke point and use it to starve the rest of the friends.
Friend 4 has the best line-of-sight for machine gun nest and sniper fire.
Calm down Netanyahu
Because it’s 10 miles from public transit and Friend 3 has to bum rides from everyone?
