No, I still think bud is safer.
Health wise?
Depends. If you’re an edibles fan you’re set, but smoking is smoking, cope.
Safer, not safe
At least some of us know how to properly parse words lol
Glass of wine with dinner is 100% safe, if not beneficial.
People who are addicted or abusing need to check themselves regardless of the psychoactive drug they choose, and stop pretending it matters if their are other worse drugs or not.
This is false. Alcohol is never beneficial. This is a debunked myth.
Not beneficial, both your comment and your attempt at rationalizing use of booze. In excess, both are bad. A trite truism.
The point, which hasn’t changed, is that it takes a lot more smoking to cause damage equivalent to what booze causes, even in small amounts.
I’ll also remind you, this whole thread is a response to a silly meme about boozehounds laughing at potheads.
Safer doesn’t mean perfectly safe.
You could much more easily die from over consumption of alcohol than you could from smoking weed.
Is being able to die the only variable? Seems like a comparison of only the extreme.
Having a few glasses of wine a week with food is fine. Harmless even. Smoking a joint from time to time is fine. Harmless even.
Being dependent on any psychoactive is harmful to one’s mental health regardless.
I wouldn’t want to be a stoner or an alcoholic. And the fact that one daily addiction might be less harmful, by some metric, is meaningless cope.
You’re more likely to die walking down the street than you are while gambling. Guess gambling is a fine addiction, the safest addiction even, while walking is bad habit.
No level of alcohol consumption is safe when it comes to human health, according to a WHO statement released in January, 2023. The data behind this dire warning come from a 2021 study that estimated the number of incident cancers attributable to alcohol consumption in the EU in 2017—light to moderate drinking (1–2 drinks per day) was responsible for 23 300 new cases of cancer. New Canadian guidelines take a strong stance too, suggesting that any more than two drinks per week puts your health at risk. Does this mean the days of safely enjoying a tipple are officially behind us?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(23)00073-5/fulltext#:~:text=23)00073%2D5-,Alcohol%20and%20health%3A%20all%2C%20none,%2C%20or%20somewhere%20in%2Dbetween%3F&text=No%20level%20of%20alcohol%20consumption,statement%20released%20in%20January%2C%202023.
Ok, point taken but who the fuck fills out those medical surveys correctly. The only time I ever could is when I would consistently smoke a pack a day. I’m not fucking tracking how many times I have a drink and certainly am not consistent about drinking from month to month.
Hey cope, thanks for the reply. Consider how we use alcohol to make things like turkey, pork etc tender. Alcohol breaks down fibrous connective tissue, so your bourbon-bbq pulled pork is especially soft and succulent the longer it’s been marinated.
Now, consider what happens in your body. A toxic solvent agent reaching all corners of your body, vs an irritating cloud of ash which gets trapped in your alveoli. Neither is good, but evidence strongly suggests that it’s harder to hurt yourself with flower vs booze.
For the record, I partake in both on occasion, but I definitely think alcohol is worse for me, personally. Everybody’s different.
There’s a lot of stuff on pubmed, here’s a quick one on lung hazards from cannabis: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32285993/
Agree. I work in an ICU and see the effects of alcohol and tobacco CONSTANTLY. I’ve seen a serious problem from cannabis once.
Maybe you haven’t yet learned to recognize the impacts of marijuana on people
https://www.health.com/regular-marijuana-use-increase-risk-of-heart-disease-7253514
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2022/11/424191/marijuana-and-e-cigs-can-harm-heart-traditional-cigarettes
This pales in comparison to the damaging effects of alcohol on the heart and the rest of the body
Idk heart disease is kind of a big deal. Using neither is probably best.
Bad take, considering how helpful cannabis can be to those who use it, how little evidence there is to show that it drastically increases one’s risk of heart disease, and how many substances we consume with far worse side effects (e.g., SSRIs, aspirin, acetaminophen, etc.)
On the other hand, alcohol has no benefits when taken internally.
From the health.com link that references this article includes edibles as a risk vector.
Previous studies have suggested that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the molecule responsible for the psychoactive effects of cannabis, acts on receptors that are found in the central nervous system and in the heart and blood vessels. This interaction between THC and blood vessels may provide a pathway for cannabis to promote inflammation and the buildup of plaque, ultimately leading to CAD. The same effects would not necessarily be expected with the use of cannabidiol (CBD), another active ingredient in cannabis and hemp that is commonly extracted for products that do not contain THC.
So you are indeed correct. To a point. The ICU observation doesn’t minimize the risks of cannabis but provides a perspective on the prevalence of the issue, and the tone in your responses is likely behind the downvotes you are lamenting.
Regardless, thank you for sharing the links, they were helpful.
It’s very possible we haven’t learned to recognize them. (although that fact also implies that the effects are subtle, doesn’t it?)
Thank you for the links. I didn’t have time to review them all in detail but I did take the time to find the study that Forbes was referring to ( because a sample size that big is very interesting, even if it was just a population study.
Their inclusion criteria were people who had Cannabis Use Disorder documented on their chart compared to statistically matched people who did not. They tried to control for socioeconomic factors.
In my opinion, it’s worth noting that people who end up with that chart diagnosis are going to be on the heavier end of users, as the majority of people who use pot don’t report it to their doctors nor end up in the EDs with cannabis related complaints.
In comparing the two populations, they found that the ABSOLUTE RISK (not relative risk) of adverse cardiovascular events was increased by 0.9%. Notable limitations to the study include that they don’t know exactly how much cannabis each person was using, they couldn’t fully control for tobacco use, and (imo) the exclusion of people with previous cardiovascular events was limited to a 2 year lookback, which may be a bit limiting.
So the conclusions we can draw from this is “within a population of the heaviest cannabis users with greater than average healthcare exposure, risk of CVD goes up by less than a percent.”
I’m totally willing to believe that it presents some risk- I just think it’s more likely to be even less of a factor (or at least in the same ballpark) in the development of CVD than things like diet and exercise.
Comparing this study to some established numbers on tobacco can be helpful here. A quick search on the medical database UpToDate showed me some data suggesting that in heavy smokers, the risk of CVD was 600% greater (relative risk), which is 10 times higher than the 60% relative risk increase that we saw in the cannabis study.
https://doi.org/10.1111/add.16337 cannabis study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8565161/ tobacco study
This is great, thanks for the info.
I’m not changing my opinion on my stance, but it’s nice to see other people genuinely interested in the conversation.
It’s because of combustion tho, right? using a dry herb vaporizer will prevent that then
You’re right. Just trying to counter the very confused people saying a glass of wine everyday is good for you lol.
Yeah ik, just pointing that out for the people that just rules out inhalation of weed because of combustion.
Thx for the heads up, knowledge is power.
Weed is much safer than alcohol, even if you smoke it
Who tf is smoking alcohol
Dad, mom says you’re supposed to get off Lemmy and help cook breakfast
People on YouTube with a plastic bottle and a bicycle pump. You pressurize a bottle with a little bit of liquor and then depressurize it very quickly. That makes a vapor that can be inhaled and actually gets you drunk.
You could also drop ethanol in a dab rig but any method of ‘smoking’ alcohol is incredibly dangerous as it gets you really fucked up really fast and can lead to alcohol poisoning with only minor fuckups. Also it’s going to hit way harder and not last as long because it’s going straight into the blood vs being absorbed by the stomach
Check out dry herb vaping, the safest way to “smoke” weed without combustion. Still not perfect but way better in every way.
Tinctures are great.
There is new research that marijuana may be bad for your heart.
Instead of asserting this raw, try linking to a source. You won’t change anyone’s mind like this (or rather, you will, but “source: trust me” is a pretty shitty way to go about that
The top post on here has someone claiming bud is safer without linking and there many other posts in this thread doing the same, but they are greatly upvoted. I hope you have the same feedback for people with opinions that support your biases.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2022/11/424191/marijuana-and-e-cigs-can-harm-heart-traditional-cigarettes
https://www.health.com/regular-marijuana-use-increase-risk-of-heart-disease-7253514
Did you even read these? They just say weed can pose a health risk, which, no shit. And on the top comment: there’s a difference between “I think” and “studies show.”
Anyway, learn to read (sources and probably brush up in, general) and don’t put words in people’s mouths -
I’m not really interested in arguing about it with someone who would rather be stubborn or insult others. When the conversation goes there, as it has, it usually is cover for something. It’s probably an indication you’ve got some personal connection to the issue that is making you biased about it (present cannabis user, seller, etc.) and feel like you need to protect something. That’s a lot of the people on this thread. I don’t have that. I’ve used marijuana. I’m over it. It’s fine if others want to. I don’t really care.
From the studies, there is a potential risk to your heart (heart disease, heart attack, stroke) from Cannabis use. I’ve already provided more information than I really cared to about the topic. Do with the info what you will. Or don’t. It makes zero difference to my life. I’m done with this conversation.
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Weed is totally safer but not free from fault either.
Yes, sort of like gummy bears versus fentanyl.
We talking regular gummy bears or sugar free haribo?
Don’t ever say the words “sugar free haribo” again.
U know a good article to read that is balanced and addresses all sides of this conjecture?
Alcohol harms every organ in your body
Source, am alcoholic
Been there, Im just interested in a more nuanced view of weed also
Are you off now? Still have relapse issues? If you do, check out my entry on naltrexone below
I’m still drinking. My doc is hesitant to prescribe it thus far, thinks my case isn’t extreme enough to warrant it
He lost the prerogative to make that determination the moment you identified yourself an alcoholic. Please see my Naltrexone bit in this thread.
Read it a couple times, I hate when drs pull this shit. How did naltrexone even come up at all, did you mention it or did he mention it? I get the sense you came to him already with this. I would never let a dr roll the dice with my health and well-being in the way he is clearly doing in this vignette :/
My gainfully employed alcoholic stoner ass listening to the target shift lead tell me that all alcoholics and stoners are unemployed.
That’s two of the reasons why drug testing is bullshit:
A) Alcohol isn’t considered a part of it and you can fail a drug test if you had weed a week ago but pass if you got drunk before pissing in the cup.
and
B) If you can do your job efficiently, who cares what substances you take? If someone shows up to work drunk or high and can’t do their job, by all means, fire them. But so many people do their work just fine drunk or high.
flying squid, you’re advocating like you partake
wanna hit off the j?
I prefer vaporizing, but sure. Why not?
Me too, I use a vrod ball injection vape primarily, and a tiny might for on the go. How about you? I wonder if there is a vapor ent community here.
I use a Vapor Genie. It is unusual, but I really like the results.
But not alcoholic stoners! And neither stoned alcoholics!
Has that been the secret all along?
Shit take
Those are mushrooms.
shiitake
But not the fun kind.
They’re tasty though.
I mean, it is a shitpost… what were you expecting?
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Struck a chord?
People die from alcohol abuse. A lot of people. It’s not fair to compare it. It really hurts.
pretty sure either are safer than employment
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What does being employed have to do with anything here ?
Leecheslandlords can be alcoholics/stoners, high functioning alcoholics are a thing, and I know a shit ton of people who can do their job perfectly fine while stonedLotta people in here have no idea how weed works lmfao
Tbf I smoked the devil’s lettuce once, and now I’m commenting in a shitposting forum, so I guess it really does have negative effects
I smoked exactly one cannabis two years ago. My doctor told me that I probably won’t make it to be 200 years old.
So, there you have it. If you consume even one of satan’s cabbages, you too will die eventually.
I took a cannabis hit once and haven’t been able since. So there’s the proof that just a whiff of lucifer’s bush can make one disabled.
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When your quality depends on wether you are a paid slave or not. I like the subtle capitalism
To be fair some of the drunks/stoners I’ve met have been better people than many who have a job.
Not being a wage slave is based, actually
They may be unemployed but at least they can spell truly.
Bold assumption
Hah look at the loser who wastes his life making the capitalists richer
Guh why are so many of the anti-work crowd so obnoxious. You’re knee-capping the fucking movement.
What’s with all the teetotalers and squares here? Like a dumbass dare meeting.
Maybe it’s hip
While you are employed as… “Beach”?
I’m a fully functional stoner (full stack dev) living in a tropical country full of drinkers. It’s not the same. I can’t imagine functioning on alcohol and honestly never saw anyone succeed though there are a lot of successful stoners here. It’s a different drug though cannabis will definitely impact your performance and motivation so you have to plan accordingly which can be tough but totally doable.
I’m a mechanical draftsman. The parts I model keep huge installations, that society depends on, functioning. And a few times a week, I get nice and high with the wife. I’ve known entirely too many functional stoners, it’s so common that I would almost say everyone knows one somewhere.
I guess if they were made to hold piss for mister bezos that would make them respectable
