• RedC@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    5·
    12 hours ago

    Well what is a sandwich? According to marriage webster:

    two or more slices of bread or a split roll having a filling in between

    Well damn, that sounds like a hotdog!

  • FuckFascism@lemmy.worldEnglish
    41·
    12 hours ago

    Taco

    a Mexican dish consisting of a fried tortilla, typically folded, filled with various mixtures, such as seasoned meat, beans, lettuce, and tomatoes.

    Google dictionary

  • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish
    6·
    18 hours ago

    I will often take two hotdogs, cut them in half longitudinally, and lay those out on two pieces sandwich bread.

    Ergo…hotdog sandwich.

      • BeeegScaaawyCripple@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        13 hours ago

        my cool brother taught me the fattest of assery in hotdogdom and i can probably handle one of these a year. they’re great tho

        My Cool Brother’s Baco-dogs

        Ingredients and Build Order
        bun
        mayo
        crumbled bacon
        narrow all beef hot dogs (sliced lengthwise)
        thick freshly grated cheddar of your preferred sharpness (hard)
        dill relish
        a thin squiggle of ketchup
        a thicker but not overwhelming line of brown deli mustard
        a dusting of celery salt (i can’t remember if this was in the original recipe or i added it after experiencing a real chicago dog)

        Method
        you want to fry the bacon, slice the hot dog lengthwise and fry the dog in the bacon grease. fry until you’ve got some good browning/maillard bullshit on the cut side, but fry both sides. then build the dog in the order above, from outside to in. yes, you have stuff in between the halves of the hotdog. sometimes we toast the bun, usually not because there’s enough hogfat in there already. also mayo-ing hot bread ain’t the best.

      • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish
        3·
        18 hours ago

        You get two hotdogs in the time it usually takes to eat one. It’s called efficiency, my friend. We’re visionairies.

  • Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.worldEnglish
    91·
    20 hours ago

    Counter arguments, a hotdog is a sausage, the bread is a condament. When you buy hotdogs at the store you’re taking about the pack, when you’re cooking a hotdog, you’re taking about the sausage being cooked. A hotdog on the grill is not in the bun. When you’re eating a hotdog without a bun, you’re still eating a hotdog.

    In the other direction, a hotdog with mustard is still called a hotdog meaning the mustard has no say in the state of the hotdog.

    Furthermore, we have splitlink sandwiches so a sausage as sandwich still needs the sandwich modifier. When I say “hotdog sandwich” it’s bothersome because it conjures the idea of hot dogs between two slices of bread.

    So if a hotdog is a hotdog with or without the bread, and a hotdog is a hotdog with or without the mustard, than the bread plays the same role and becomes a condament for the eating of a hotdog that belongs firmly in the category of sausage.

    Spare points to back this up is taco, chicken taco, fish taco, street taco, all need the modifier “taco”. If I say we’re having fish and serve a tuna taco, I’ve not given you the accurate information. The same goes for wraps, without the “wrap” modifier you get different information. In reverse, we do not ask for a bun to get a hotdog. Following along that line, we have split bun sandwiches which use a bun and are not explicitly hotdogs.

    Lastly, with this information you can order the incredibly cursed, split link split bun sandwich with mustard which presents as a cut hotdog with mustard but is in fact an entirely different thing all together.

    • WIZARD POPE💫@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      18 hours ago

      I will fight you on this.

      A hotdog is a specific type of soft sausage inside a bun. If you have just the sausage part you would not call that a hotdog (at least not where I live) but a frankfurter (we have a special word for this type of sausage).

      The bread needs to be a certain shape as well. Long round and thin. Either one where it goes in from the top (sliced by length)

      like this or pushed in the same way as the longer axis of bread goes like this

      .

      If you put it inside two slices of bread you made a frankfurter sandwich. So thus it needs to be the right sausage in the right bread to be considered a hotdog.

              • BeeegScaaawyCripple@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                11 hours ago

                all i can think is that it must be uneven lighting. that draws attention to and creates deeper shadows on part of the photo (more obvious on the photo of the raw rolls) and covers up other shadows in a way that makes it harder to intuit depth on 2D images.

                thanks for the recipe btw!

                just for fun. the difference between google translate and firefox's built in translate.

                Here’s Firefox
                For 6 loaves
                500 g soft flour
                1 sachet of dry yeast or a little more than half fresh
                100 ml of lukewarm milk
                150 ml of lukewarm water
                30 g of softened butter
                1 and 1/2 tablespoons of sour cream
                50 ml of oil
                1 egg
                1 teaspoon of salt
                1 tablespoon sugar

                Here’s the Google
                For 6 croissants
                500 g soft fluoride
                1 sachet of dry yeast or a little more than half of fresh yeast
                100 ml lukewarm milk
                150 ml lukewarm water
                30 g softened butter
                1 and 1/2 bids sour cream
                50 ml of oil
                1 egg
                1 teaspoon salt
                1 suck sugar

                heh keep knockin it outta the park Googs. anyone know where i can buy some soft fluoride?

      • Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        15 hours ago

        See, I think this may be a regional issue more than a semantic issue because around these parts that horrifying electric bun spike is the quickest way to not get invited to the next barbique.

        • WIZARD POPE💫@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          15 hours ago

          We usually don’t even make hotdogs on barbeques. I cannot recall the last time we did. Balkan grill has so many better options to choose from.

          • Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            13 hours ago

            Balkan grill

            So I looked this up and found a restaurant in Germany? The food looks amazing and I’m going to have to find recipes for half their menu.

            So the way this discussion is going, it reminds me of an old cookbook that describes curry as “a gravy laden with spices and made with the milk of coconut.” While the description conveys the details well, I don’t think any sane person would say gravy and curry are the same category. The issue comes from the difference in cultural meanings and the way languages steal words. My classifications are based off the mid western American concepts of hotdog and there for would not work outside of a region familiar with it.

            I guess the only good option to finally solvr this debate would be a latin taxonomy like we do for animals and plants.

            • WIZARD POPE💫@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              12 hours ago

              Send me the name and place of the restaurant so I can check out how authentic their food is. Or I can send you some recipes.

                • WIZARD POPE💫@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  10 hours ago

                  I checked this and it looks alright. They sure got the ugly menu aesthetic right so it might be decent balkan grill.

                  About those recipes. I will have to check tomorrow it’s a bit late now. Also after thinking a bit I actually realised you can get most things you need for a good balkan barbeque just in the store here. You can get the bread, the ajvar, the kajmak, the meat and so on.

                  I will definitely find something to recomend and if not I’ll just tell you how to make sač. That’s more of an actual recipe than just the normal grill.

            • zalgotext@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              7 hours ago

              I don’t think any sane person would say gravy and curry are the same category.

              Why? Culinarily*, curry and gravy are quite similar, and serve similar functions. Obviously they don’t taste all that similar, but I don’t think that really matters much when you consider the vast variety of flavors that curries come in.

              And actually, now that I think of it, Japanese curries do share quite a few flavors with a Western meat-dripping-based gravy. In fact, I’m pretty sure the directions on the packaged* curry cubes I get from the Asian grocer refer to the curry sauce as “gravy”. So yeah, actually, plenty of sane people put curry and gravy in the same category, for solid reasons.

  • panda_abyss@lemmy.caEnglish
    297·
    1 day ago

    I get the whole “cube rule” thing, but a taco is FOLDED and a hot dog bun is CUT.

    Mechanically these are very different required preparation steps.

    Further, tacos use fried tortillas which are technically cake.

    Hot dogs are not tacos. If you fry a cake, fold it, abc add toppings then that is a taco. When you cut into a bun and add toppings, that’s a sub. Hot dogs are subs, not tacos.

    • wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      5·
      22 hours ago

      While I appreciate the topological approach, I hold to a linguistic and practical reason for a hot dog, as it is usually eaten, not (typically) being a sandwich:

      1. what does it mean for a thing to be “sandwiched”? It means pressed on two sides, held together by the force of that pressure.
      2. what is the difference between a hot dog and a hero/po-boy/sub? Well, heros and po-boys are held together by the bread. You can turn them on their side, and they should not fall apart, because the primary force holding them together is pressure on either side of the bread. Hot dogs, at least in my limited experience, are defined by their toppings, which are placed atop the frankfurter, and held in place by gravity alone.

      As such I give my typology: if the primary force holding your dish together is pressure on two sides from a retaining material? Sandwich. If the primary force holding it together is gravity? That bread is being used as a trencher. As such, most hot dogs, most tacos, bread bowls and other such things are all basically just a version of a bread bowl or bread plate. For this reason, I call them “Trenchers”. Pizza is not primarily held together by gravity or by sandwiching forces, and thus is normally neither of these. Pizza’s primary force maintaining its integrity is the cheese and other sticky things holding onto any toppings. As such, pizza would be equivalent to toast with spread, cheese, and other toppings, similar to garlic bread. All functionally just “adorned breads”.

      So, to reiterate, I don’t disagree that hot dogs can be sandwiches, but in general practice, I do not believe they qualify, much like most tacos do not qualify.

        • wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          12 hours ago

          An interesting thesis! Please elaborate, and then let’s discuss where the lines are between casseroles, quiches, open pies, pastry-covered pies, calzones/empanadas/gyoza and wraps/burritos

          • BeeegScaaawyCripple@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            12 hours ago

            casseroles are jumbles held together with a binder (like egg, or cheese). some have pie crusts (on the bottom and/or top, example chicken pot pie). they are often one dish meals (the pizza pan) and often identified by their baking utensil (the pizza pan).

            • wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              12 hours ago

              Fair. I personally think that a pizza doesnt quite qulify, but i see the logic. By this logic, however, all pies are also casseroles. I’m OK with this. However, where does an open-faced bagel with shmear fit? Or a calzone?

              • BeeegScaaawyCripple@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                12 hours ago

                i’m not a casserole expert but i think you need both filling and binder. Like a cheese egg quiche would not be a casserole but a cheese egg broccoli quiche would because cheese and eggs are both binders. So like with a chocolate mousse, it’s something else unless there’s chocolate chunks or nuts in that mousse. An open-faced bagel with shmear, is it one of those shmears that includes solids or is it just a smooth even shmear?

                i didn’t grow up in a house of pedants no how could you tell

      • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        18 hours ago

        What’s wild is that tortillas are so varied, Mexicans eat very thin yellow corn, Central Americans like white corn and make them thick, and South Americans just go full anarchy and make em extra fat and call them arepas.

        Im partial to the Central American think ones, and if you fill em with cheese and meat you got pupusas

        • kemsat@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          16 hours ago

          Do not call my arepas fat tortillas. They are separate foodstuffs though composed of the same ingredients.

      • panda_abyss@lemmy.caEnglish
        82·
        23 hours ago

        Tortillas are pancakes

        The word tortilla is derived from the Spanish word torta, meaning roughly ‘cake’ or ‘pie’, plus the diminutive suffix -illa; therefore tortilla can be translated as ‘little cake’.

        If flatbread then maybe tacos are pizza.

      • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        5·
        1 day ago

        Flour tortillas are definitely flatbread.

        Corn tortilla… I’m not sure. I really just don’t know, but I’d still consider a taco to be a sandwich.

      • stoy@lemmy.zipEnglish
        3·
        17 hours ago

        Naturally.

        I mean, this is a common prawn sandwich from us in Sweden:

        You can get them anywhere and they not only taste great, but smell fresh and lovely.

        Though, I can absolutely see a reason why this should not be allowed on a plane; shellfish allergy.

        • BeeegScaaawyCripple@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          12 hours ago

          i can smell that through the picture and i would like to come visit, have a prawn sammie and some gyro pizza please. would you mind legalizing cannabis for a couple weeks so i can visit and not die please thank you for your attention to this matter

          • stoy@lemmy.zipEnglish
            2·
            4 hours ago

            While I don’t particularly like drugs, I can’t see our current system having done anything but fail.

            I’d rather legalize drugs with a decent tax to cover rehab clinics, than having the current illegal drug trade in Sweden be a constant drain on society.

            So yeah, if I get to vote on the issue, I’ll vote for legalization.

            • BeeegScaaawyCripple@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              3 hours ago

              oh dude you don’t want me to get ranting about legalization. it’s not even fully legal here and that means that i a lot of medical care gets denied to me, despite the fact that the local medical schools’ expert on cannabis uses me in her lectures as their ideal patient for medical cannabis treatment.

              i appreciate the intercontinental support tho