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Valhalla isn’t a reward though, it’s a hell for those that don’t enjoy battle. Here’s what happens in Valhalla:
- You equip your armor and weapons
- You walk out into the courtyard
- You kill eachother
- You are resurrected
- You go to dinner
- You equip your armor and weapons
- You walk out into the courtyard
- You kill eachother
etc. etc.
It is NOT a reward. Valhalla is not heaven, it is a place that Odin puts his very specific chosen warriors that died a violent death in battle. Whether you go to Valhalla doesn’t depend on you being either a good or bad person, only how you died. Odin himself will even actively intervene and make sure you lose your fight and die in battle, just because he wants you as one of his Einherjar.
Valhalla being portrayed as this big reward for good people is a bastardised version brought in by Christians.
Valhalla is not a punishment though, as only real warriors (read: most likely this will be people who love battle) will be granted access.
Therefore, Valhalla is a reward yes. Just not for “being a good person”, but Odin still decided who the real warriors were.
No Nazis would be considered real warriors. They are cowards by nature.
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OP didn’t include this, but the whole point of Valhalla is that it’s a training facility for Ragnarok. Odin is gathering the fiercest warriors to fight at the end of the world.
Also, it’s possible (likely?) that Norse warriors actually really wanted to go to Valhalla. Their values system was different to ours, and a place where you get to fight (gain honor) and feast with your friends every day probably sounded pretty good to them.
Thanks! TIL Valhalla was a place of death and feasting waiting to fight and die again.
Man Valhalla must suck extra. It’s like being a toddler and playing soccer with the grown-ups.
Imagine thinking you will be the elite warrior hero but then WW2 plane pilots and tank operators that died during battle show up.
Entrance to Valhalla doesn’t depend on your killstreak. It’s more about your warrior spirit. The Norse likely would have respected warriors who fought against equal or stronger enemies more than those who cowardly fought against weaker foes. Remember, the battle for Ragnarok will be against titanic monsters and giants. The Norse believed they would be the underdogs in that fight.
For instance, I doubt remote drone operators would qualify, although your example of WW2 tank and plane crew definitely could.
Absolutely! Also why Berserkers were a thing - to charge into battle with a weapon in each hand and no defense showed their spirit like not much else could.
So that they could join the immortal dead and live on as legend while they feast and prepare with Thor for the end times.
As someone who has a lot of Nordic tattoos it sucks that I’m lumped in with these Nazi fucks at a glance.
I’m an atheistic pagan and I fucking hate Nazis or really just bigots in general but I get treated like one by most people.
A potential solution is to mix in with some very obviously anti-nazi tats. You can either go directly for anti-nazi, or just heavily indicated by virtue of anti-nazi tattoos (e.g. something obviously pro-lgbt would help dissuade assumptions of Nazi affiliation.)
Yeah. I got into all the nordic stuff 30 years ago when being a nazi wasn’t socially acceptable. So sad to all of them being out and coopting our cool aesthetics
FYI might be worth putting up a NSFW spoiler tag. That said, historically accurate meme woohoo!
Seiðr, feminine one included, was practised by Odin, and vǫlvas, which were almost always women, had enormous respect. Priesthood was primarily a female affair, but I wouldn’t be surprised if mingling occurred.
A myth is that “effeminacy” in those cultures is frowned upon; instead, it is a lack of courage, to be yourself, that the earlier Germanic cultures derided heavily.
And so, Thor dressing as a gal, and Loki transforming into one, is actually super brave. The sages describe it more humorously, even, rather than insultingly.
Loke also transformed into a mare, had sex with a stallion and gave birth to Sleipner. (I use my native Norwegian names on the stuff from Norse mythology)
From wiki: "However, Loki had “such dealings” with Svaðilfari that “somewhat later” Loki gave birth to a grey foal with eight legs; the horse Sleipnir, “the best horse among gods and men.”
i like the “no Nazis in Valhalla” phrase because Valhalla is an idea, not a real thing. but let’s not pretend vikings were good people just to spite Nazis. you’re just doing the same mythologizing.
They were people. There were good ones and bad ones. Some might help with the laundry, some might blow a gasket for being reminded to clean up after dinner, some would be cried over and missed because they went out to sea and never came home. Generalising any culture or group in one direction or the other isn’t encouraging informed discussion. Nazis, however, are unequivocally bad, 'mkay?
The difference here is that nazis are a political movement, vikings were an actual whole ass culture.
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Shit, I thought we were the best at cultural reappropriation. How did this get through? (And they like butt stuff.)
This meme format really is just playing dolly
Isn’t Iran derived from aryan? Why aren’t these nazi want-to bes wearing kolah namadi?
Aryan meant Indo-European until the mustache man co-opted the term to mean blonde hair and blue eyes.
It’s not just the right that engages in blatant revisionist history of Vikings.
Yeah, a lot of people seem to forget what raiding and pillaging involves, especially during that time. I hate when people try to romanticize that crap. It’s like if 1000 years from now someone tried to romanticize Nazis or Russian soldiers.
It’s like if 1000 years from now someone tried to romanticize Nazis or Russian soldiers.
And they will. It’s such a bummer knowing they’ll turn into some trope-y aggressive dorks or something.
Even just regular war was awful before industrialization. Marching armies basically depleted every place they went through of resources, because for a long time there was just no other way to operate. And that means that the people whose food was just taken might starve in the near future.
And that’s if the army was nice, rape and pillaging of money and any valuable goods was also very common, even when the army was still marching within the area it was supposed to protect from invasion.
War isn’t nice nowadays, either, but it’s at least possible to arrive at a war theater without destroying every place on the way, too.
Can you give me examples of the left doing it then?
This meme. Vikings were mad homophobic.
Except not really? Even in the source you linked, what was disapproved was being fucked by another man, but fucking a man wasn’t a problem. That’a not an exceptional view, the Romans had the same perspective. So the meme stands
Disapproving of a man being fucked is literally homophobia, my dude
Ok? I’m not saying they weren’t homophobic, I’m saying their specific flavor of homophobia wouldn’t clash with the depiction in that specific meme
Pagan Viking views on sexuality were more akin to pagan Roman views, it’s true (though arguably more extreme; Julius Caesar was called “every woman’s man and every man’s woman” and “the Queen of Bithynia” in his day, and so far as we know he never got to kill anyone over it). By the end of the end of the Viking age, post Christianisation, that may have been more or less true. But either way, it’s safe to say that the Vikings would not approve of a relationship between two men.
The meme certainly suggests without any other context that the Vikings would disapprove of homophobia, and that seems to me to just not be the case.
So it’s homophobic now to be exclusively top? Y’all just silly.
To exclusively top and to disapprove being fucked are two separate things
It’s homophobic to look down on someone for being a bottom. How is this hard to understand? It’s nothing new either, it’s something that’s been around for a while and which is part of macho and homophobic culture. You can see that in prison rape/culture as well. No one questions your manliness if you’re the top, but if you’re a bottom you get called the bitch.
No surprise. They where sailors travelling the world.
So are modern Scandinavians. Also I’m not so sure about gen alpha Norwegians. There are a large number of half Thai kids in rural areas. Norwegian women escape the villages to go live in Bergen/Oslo and the men who stayed home to take care of the family farm go over to Thailand to find someone. It’s a stereotype but it definitely happens pretty frequently.
Also there’s a large foreign population generally (the oil industry and service industry attracts a lot of foreigners and Norway takes a fair number of refugees) æand they’re (relatively) well integrated (this doesn’t apply to Sweden). You actually see some Muslim women in Norwegian national dress with a headscarf that’s embroidered with the same pattern, which is cool.
Still are, source: my anecdotal ass.
Makes sense. They traveled a lot. Nowadays we’re all looking out our peepholes so we can ensure that we don’t run into neighbours.
Nowadays we’re all looking out our peepholes so we can ensure that we don’t run into neighbours
Ack. I’ve been spotted!
This is my favourite scholar on the topic. His lectures are so good. I’ve seen him speak a few times.
https://aeon.co/essays/the-viking-age-is-undergoing-a-revisionist-transformation
Nazis didn’t even steal viking runes. They completely made them up after some crackpot says he was shown the runes by nordic ghosts in the early 1900s.
Yes but the neonazis use actual Norse pagan symbolism, which means you can’t use Norse themed jewelry without people thinking you’re a fascist. 😠
Without the fascist connection you’re still glorifying a culture of raping and pillaging innocent villagers
Yeah, let’s just boil down an entire civilization to a single aspect of it.
No more so than any other military force of the same era. Are you going to boycott ren fairies for the same reason? Sometimes people just like to dress up in traditional jewelry because it looks pretty.
by learning American English I am glorifying gun violence in schools, got it
The person I replied to was talking about jewelry. Are you wearing a necklace with ar-15 and screaming child pendants on it?
The American equivalent here would be wearing a necklace decipting a bald eagle or some symbol prevalent in American culture.
what does their writing have to do with raping and enslaving people
Why do you keep talking about writing? The discussion is about jewelry. What does their jewelry have to do with raping and enslaving people? Same thing wearing a swastika has to do with gassing 6 million people and trying to conquer europe
You understand that there is a difference between a violent political movement and an entire culture, right?
not quite. you seem to be able to distinguish the american culture from gun violence in schools, rightfully saying that you’d have to wear a necklace shaped like a gun for it to be a condonation of gun violence. But you don’t make that distinction when it comes to norse culture and raping and enslaving people. And no, it’s not the same thing as swastikas, as swastikas were appropriated by the nazis, also nazis are not a culture. It would be like saying that wearing anything pertaining to the German culture makes you a Holocaust apologist.
Just add a pride flag and people will think you’re a Loki worshipper
Or a gay nazi.
In Germany, the distinction seems to be that Nazis might get away with homosexuality (e.g. Alice Weidel, one of the AfD party leaders, is a lesbian women), but they don’t consider themselves part of the LGBT+ community and thus won’t fly the usual pride flags.
Ah, someone listened to the latest episodes of Behind The Bastards
An Austrian/German named Guido is hilarious to me
yet another thing to blame Blavatsky for
Nooooo you’re ruining my pseudohistorical narrative!!! REEEEE SOMBODY GET ME MY AMPHETAMINES
Shoutout to this absolute banger
Leaving that italian cartoon villain speechless like that was a fucking feat
oh god I’m really laughing out loud, not just air coming out of my nose
Hey don’t knock amphetamines! They’re quite pleasant.
