So that means the progressives will break off and form a real leftist party right?
Right?
Yes they will be moving to the right. Wait. Nooooo
True, but the way I see it elections are largely a game of name recognition.
Love or hate Trump, people know his name.
Harris only had 3 months to campaign and still almost beat Trump.
Sure, major cities can handle a quick turnaround, but the rest of the country needs a full year of campaigning to accept a candidate.
Trump’s win isn’t the mandate he thinks it is and Harris’ loss isn’t as damning as people make it out to be either.
DNC sucks. They only care about lining their pockets. They need to go down. They will go down.
If you support an establishment democrat you are part of the problem
I am absolutely shocked to hear this.
Democrats would rather lose than let Progressives lead the way.
They would rather gather the money needed to be able to effectively campaign than pursue policies designed to reign in campaigns costing so much. Wouldn’t it be nice if we legally defined our election season to the formerly traditional end of February to November of the year of your offices’ election?
In a last-minute move, they shut the event off from the public and even deliberately shared the wrong address for where grassroots supporters are allowed to gather."
Lol, we’re fucked
The Democrats are over. If we ever even get the chance to vote again, a new progressive, actually left party must rise in its place
Interesting you think they need to be more left?
What do you think “left” means?
Well, they at least need to be left of nazis. Can we agree on that? We just want the democrats to work on that for now. You know, baby steps.
Yes… I think we should strive to be left of the Nazis lol.
Progressives won in states where Harris lost, so objectively, yes. We don’t need Republicans and Diet Republicans. We need two noticeably different parties.
The voters that elected Trump hate progressives. Those are the the libs they want to “own.” The only way becoming more progressive would help is if millions of people that didn’t vote in the 2024 election vote for the progressive candidate.
Super majorities of voters of both parties support progressive policies
Considering there were about 90 million (archived) who didn’t vote in 2024, that seems totally possible. Harris only lost by about 2-3 million, so we’re talking 5% of this group needing to be the sort of “both parties are too right wing, there’s no point in voting” types who could be brought into our fold.
Reports are now showing over 4 million valid votes were rejected and purged by various voter suppression tactics taken between 2020 and 2024. Seems there might turn out to actually be something to the stolen election theory
Democrats aren’t left at all, they are effectively center-right.
look at sinema and manchin, they led the biden administration.
Its a big tent, and its drafty in here.
Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.
Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
The DNC operates in bad faith on a constant basis, or have you forgotten Hillary’s superdelegates, or all the moderates coalescing around biden when bernie was winning the second time, its par for the course.
The DNC only wins championing progressive policies and then turns around and fellates the most centrist most milquetoast moderates, its steeped in bad faith.
Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.
Democrats needed them to cooperate to get anything passed. If pressed too hard they would’ve switch republican and democrats would’ve gotten so little legislation passed that they would’ve been identical to the leftists that have never accomplished anything.
This is a foreign concept to leftists because leftists don’t get elected let alone get legislation passed. Or understand the importance of voting as you’re proving.
Working together to get a trusted candidate elected is also a foreign concept. That is why every progressive that gets elected ends up being a republican (Fetterman, Sinema, etc.).
Yet we still have leftists complaining that the DNC won’t have open primaries. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me more than once, I must be a leftists.
The DNC wins by trying to cater to as many voters as possible because that’s the job of a politician.
Leftists consistently lose by refusing to work with anyone outside of their ideology which is just a small fraction of the voters.
Hey, if you want I can let you borrow my goalpost mover. It’s handy for whipping up those No True Scotsmans in a jiffy.
No goalpost was moved. You should learn the meaning of terms before you try to use them.
Ok so just for a moment let’s pretend you are now democratic God/king/ emperor.
You get to build the new party of the left. What policies are you going to run on to garner support from the majority of Americans? I am genuinely curious what you imagine this ideal left wing party to look like.
You get healthcare, you get healthcare, everyone gets free healthcare.
The rent is too damn high, we’re going to put crippling taxes for owning empty housing
We’re going to tax corporations and close loopholes, and get rid of all income taxes for all
Clear messaging with easy, simple solutions. Ram them through.
They’ll cause side effects, but who cares? The cost of rent will plummet, Americans will have more money in their pockets, and they’ll get on board with more nuanced things. People will worry about their retirements or “the economy” at first, but they’ll get on board when these simple promises are fulfilled and they feel it
Then we work on unions, tax breaks and sweetheart loans for worker owned businesses, breaking up corporations, an actual green new deal, fixing elections, etc. All the nitty gritty most voters don’t want to take the time to understand
And we’ll just keep hitting it. They say “Our economy is ruined, these people are destroying this country”. We don’t bring up facts and figures, just keep slamming soundbytes “is your rent cheaper? Is your paycheck bigger? These people want to tax you so they can pay off the 1%”
See now this is a much better answer. I think if you ran on those stances you would be a pretty popular candidate.
The more money we can pull out of the 1%s coffers and move into the hands of the working class the better.
I think we should also prevent corporations from buying homes like Black Rock and others are doing.
No more government baleouts for companies that fuck everything up. IF we have to baleout a company like GM they don’t deserve to keep operating. Government takes over control and slowly sells off assets. Yes people will lose their jobs in the short term, but someone will need to fill the void of the missing production so in theory other car companies would expand to fill the space left behind and they would need to hire employees. Probably the employees that lost their jobs because the GM executives were greedy and/or stupid.
The working class is what keeps this country functioning. Not the top 1%. Put money in their pockets again and the economy will be stronger than ever before.
See, but you’re making it complicated again. You want to stop black rock, but how? If I rent out a couple houses, are you going to come after me? What if this crashes my home prices?
You need to be able to turn around and say “people are homeless. If you have a an empty house, rent it or sell it, otherwise get fucked”
You can’t get into commodificstion of housing or go after investment companies, that muddies the waters. People believe all these myths about how markets work, if you leave an opening they’re going to start getting people worried about themselves losing something, or they’re going to see it as an empty promise
But you keep it simple - empty houses = get fucked
Raise the minimum wage, implement a single-payer universal healthcare system.
When Sanders was on stage at Fox News being grilled by their anchors for being “too radical”, Sanders turned to the audience and asked them if these policies were really so radical.
The Fox News audience chanted “No!” (to the surprise of the Fox anchors).
Slashing healthcare costs and putting more money in people’s pockets are winning strategies, especially if you can call out Republicans on their bullshit messaging.
So the only two things your new left wing party is going to run on is higher minimum wage (no specific amounts or percentage of local cost of living or anything specific?) and single-payer universal healthcare.
Yeah I don’t think you would get the majority of votes by making a party based around only those two things.
Yes let me just write an entire election manifesto whilst I’m taking my morning dump.
These are just examples of policies that actually do something for the majority of Americans, and that seem to be popular across the board.
I’m not expecting a 10 page book of exactly everything you would implement and exactly how you would do it, but only answering like 10% of a question seems odd.
That would be like me asking you to list all your ideal ingredients for a sandwich and you only said “bread” then decided you didn’t feel like thinking of the rest so you just hit send and walk away.
That’s not the same person you originally responded to.
I agree with your sentiment, but just so you know, the person you asked the question “how will you rebuild the party” is not the person who responded to that question and you responded to.
Yes I am aware. But they did answer the question so I responded to their answer to my question.
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Huh?
Yes, they’ve been moving right and trying to stay in the center for 30 years.
They’ve won the majority of the elections in the last 30 years. So must be a winning strategy.
The game has changed. The world has changed. Their strategy hasn’t…
The Democrats’ strategy is to appeal to as many voters as possible and work with people you might not agree with. They have won the majority of elections since the 90s with this strategy and gotten some legislation passed.
Progressives’ strategy is to refuse to work with any other ideologies, criticize to an extent that spreads apathy and demand all or nothing. They have consistently lost because of this and gotten no legislation passed. But their strategy hasn’t changed…
Right, well that “winning strategy” of the democrats has lost more than half the time against Trump, so clearly it’s not fucking working anymore.
Yeah because leftist criticized Biden more than Trump. With leftists as your allies you don’t need enemies. Makes sense why leftists aren’t winning any elections.
If there ever was a time to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months AFTER an election.
If there ever was a time to not to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months BEFORE an election.
there has to be a real fear of losing something, otherwise there’s no pressure to change. they will never change voluntarily. and after they win/lose an election there is zero pressure to do anything
the best time to criticize is in the immediate lead up to an election
If there was ever a time for the DNC to listen to voters, it was at any point in time.
Do not hold back on them, hold them accountable and demand better. “We will apply pressure but back off when it’s actually meaningful” is a terrible strategy.
They cannot hope to gain the support of voters unless they make it clear they are interested in their voters.
Whether they actually are good for us and are actually fighting for us or not, constant smear campaign fueled by wealthy bad actors and foreign powers is going to have impacts on the vote.
Sometimes we need to fight back against bias by evening out that scale, declaring the value in voting blue no matter who.
Even if we think Democrats might shit the bed, we need to make it clear we have to prevent Republicans from pumping gallons of shit into the bedroom.
This group of progressives, “Our Revolution” was a continuation of the Bernie Sanders election campaign, and Bernie Sanders spent today yelling at the top of his lungs as the US confirmed a health secretary who actively promoted the unnecessary death of infants and argued with him on pharmaceutical company profits.
Voter Outreach and party platform is OUR JOB. Not just the DNC.
Who’s the one running the primaries, collecting donations and buying ad space?
Who are the ones voting in primaries, donating, and volunteering?
Bernie Sanders was in the 2016 and 2020 primaries and lost by an absolutely huge margin both times. The organization isn’t the problem. How the people are voting is. Even if you “fix” the DNC it won’t fix the problem.
They didn’t even bother to run primaries for this last election even though they had to know that Biden wasn’t going to run. They gambled on wasting the RNC’s efforts running an anti-Biden campaign when they were going to swap Harris in and lost.
They also turned out the lights on anti-war Sanders supporters, so forgive me if I don’t think the DNC plays fair. The US is going to collapse and I can’t say we don’t deserve it.
That’s basically how incumbent presidents have worked for 248 years. That’s not news. Biden obtained 14,465,519 out of 16,610,102 votes in the 2024 primary election, 87.09% and obtained 3,894 delegates while the runner up received 35.
He had every right to pass his chance on to his VP and I thank him for it, it was a valiant effort and took a lot of courage I’m sure.
So much courage to wait until the last minute. We should have primaries for every incumbent.
So you’re saying we should lie about the loser democrats?
Can you really say that you’re against christofascist oligopoly when thats the words you have to say about the only opposition?
I can say I am against the DNC and that they are going to lose their leadership whether they like it or not. There’s a new generation of Dems and the Dems will die and there’ll be a new party or they will accept the policies that supermajorities of Dems and republicans support and kick their loser ass leadership who only knows how to get donors money and lose elections
There is not always a new party. In the past, new parties came from branching old parties.
One party systems exist and that is the path the USA is currently on: Repupublican Authoritarianism.
If you would back dems long enough to get supermajority they could pass voting reforms which make your ideal possible.
I suppose not, I guess if the only two choices are for or against “christofascist oligopoly” I’ll just stand back and make fun of you for making that choice
By standing back you make a choice.
You’re suggesting that by making a choice you could stand back further which is untrue
And by don’t criticize them before the election, he means the 2077 election. Give them time to figure things out, guys.
That’s fair, I normally try to shut down the shitting on all the time, but that’s a very fair point to be making and I accept your views as veritable and righteous.
You think if we criticize democrats for 3.5 years straight it wont affect the outcome of an election as long as we stop for a few months?
I’m actually not really certain that it makes any difference whether we criticize them or not, with or without a break.
They just keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting different outcomes.
Acknowledge mistakes and learning from them is the biggest advantage when running against the Republicans who think Trump can never make mistakes
No it just sows apathy and reduces voter turnout. But that seems to be the goal.
It only sows apathy because they keep shutting down progressive voices for… *checks notes… a 74 year old with cancer.
Maybe just maybe if AOC had been given a committee seat instead of being muscled out by Pelosi such criticisms wouldn’t “sow apathy.”
That’s just one of many examples. What you’re saying is we should stop critiquing them since they don’t change, and their unwillingness to change and pointing that out sows voter apathy.
We’re literally in a thread about how they refuse to learn anything and we still have you here being like “critiquing them only makes it worse!” Yeah, when they always ignore the critique to suck from the same wealthy teats as the Republicans, it’s hard for that not to create apathy.
Like I said, if they actually learned something and centered progressive voices, maybe critiquing them wouldn’t create apathy but would create excitement?
But noooooo, we just need to shut up about it I guess.
What you’re saying is we should stop critiquing them since they don’t change, and their unwillingness to change and pointing that out sows voter apathy.
Nope, I’m saying Trump won this election because enough voters were apathetic and stayed home and the constant criticism from the left contributed to that.
The constant ‘not good enough’ criticisms are the reason we are worse off now with Trump.
We’re literally in a thread about how they refuse to learn anything and we still have you here being like “critiquing them only makes it worse!” Yeah, when they always ignore the critique to suck from the same wealthy teats as the Republicans, it’s hard for that not to create apathy.
We are in a thread about an opinion piece. Sorry to interrupt your echo chamber but I need to remind you that the critiquing is coming from progressives: a group that consistently loses elections even after winning primaries.
If progressives would actually learn something they would show up to vote in their own best interests instead of falling for the “Genocide Joe”, “DNC isn’t good enough so we get Trump”.
The fact of the matter is not enough voters are progressive and progressives aren’t willing to work with any other ideologies so they consistently lose elections.
My original comment said 3 months before an election is not the time to criticize - so I agree with you on that.
However, there has to be a time when we fix our mistakes and right now is the BEST time to do that.
However, there has to be a time when we fix our mistakes and right now is the BEST time to do that.
I agree with you there. The mistake we made was being critical to a point that got Trump elected.
Do we have voting holidays for the primaries? Oh we don’t? So it’s quite likely a lot of those progressive voters are busy at work?
Hell, one year it was fucking caucuses in my state, where you had to show up and hang out for hours deliberating.
But sure, it’s not that the corporate wing of the party are in positions to be able to take off work and progressives are workaday laborers who literally struggle to get involved because of the roadblocks of American life.
When many US citizens can’t take a day off work without worrying about not being able to make rent, it’s kind of buffoonish to be like “They just need to try harder.” Maybe the party needs to make it way way fuckin easier to be involved and join the 21st fucking century instead of being like “these rules we’ve been using for 100 years are rock solid, no changes needed, fuck change.” The only people saying that are the corporate wing of the party because that benefits them to have progressives stuck on the hamster wheel.
Do we have voting holidays for the primaries? Oh we don’t? So it’s quite likely a lot of those progressive voters are busy at work?
Hell, one year it was fucking caucuses in my state, where you had to show up and hang out for hours deliberating.
You think democrats have enough seats to make a national holiday for the primaries?
ITT people who have no idea how the Democratic party is structured, nor how the DNC chair is elected, nor been involved in party politics, complaining about the DNC anyway.
Are they really failing to realize their losing strategy at this point? I think they just don’t care. They got theirs and fuck everyone else.
You can’t help but feel the new Chair is going to either make or break the party for the foreseeable future.
They need to pull a long shot, honestly, given that Bernie Sanders has said he isn’t going to seek re-election, I’d say nominate him. Even if he declines it sets the right tone. People need someone who can walk the walk, and spit that talk like hot fire. You have an easy and galvanizing message to get out. America works for all Americans, because we all pay out fair share… Except for when a small group of billionaires think they have the right to buy and sell our country and our rights. This class of ultra wealthy is like a cancer that has been allowed to survive and fester for too long. It is now growing at a faster rate than healthy society can maintain and it threatens to destroy it. All Trump appointed and nominated officials will be retired from their positions for security reasons, including judges. Citizens United will be reversed. Tax rates on the top 1% will be a minimum of 50%, regardless of the type of income. Universal healthcare coverage, and creating a socioeconomic state that supports workers to the point where the educated and skilled should be able to retire comfortably at 50. This will allow for new opportunities for younger workers of all types, and keep the American dream alive.
That would be week 1
Several hundred people will see change in the spreadsheet that
