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Snore doctor thinks she knows how the human body works.
Oh yeah? Today there are more people dying from dihydrogen monoxide than in the past.
Is she actually an MD?
…that is scary.
If you pay a University enough money, they’ll give you any title or degree you want.
Case in point, Trump has an economics degree from Wharton.
Sort of. I got a biology degree which meant I spent a lot of time in and out of class with “pre med” students. It was a program my school was known for and significant portion of the student population. Of the 100 or so students I saw daily my senior year more than half are now doctors. And about of quarter of them do shit like this.
They aren’t dumber or richer than anyone else, they just realized that you can gather a very large pile of money by selling bullshit to rubes.
Yeah like where is her degree from? They should be ashamed.
https://profile.tmb.state.tx.us/PublicProfile.aspx?7471e146-dc9e-48e1-b705-25b25003ce4a
Medical College of Georgia at Augusta University
Honestly I think schools these days are a test of patience and a test of playing social games. Not intelligence.
She’s been out of school for too long. She probably a GP, which has a wealth of knowledge on all subjects but very little specific knowledge. Ask experts, not unqualified quacks.
She’s actually an ENT, but it really doesn’t matter what your specialty is. Mnra vaccines are new enough that unless you are actively researching them or are in a specialty like infections disease, most MD’s aren’t really going to be very familiar with them.
I specialize in orthopedics and rehabilitation, I know about bones, joints and the things that connect to bones and joints… If anyone asks me about vaccines I’m going to refer them to someone who actually really knows what they’re talking about.
I don’t trust the vaccines because I went to med school. I trust the vaccines because my colleagues in infectious disease trust the vaccines and this is what they do all day.
Bang on. Grifters go around finding someone who will agree with their grift. They didn’t ask any doctor, they asked one who would agree with them.
Like 30.to 40 years old at this point. One of the reasons they where able to do the COVID vaccine so quickly. Could you imagine if they just did them from scratch considering one of the side effects the lady who was working on them had to overcome was burning. Could you imagine the freakout if the COVID vaccine burned.
And who cares if they’re new a vaccine is a vaccine. The basic principal is the same.
I’m in my late 30s and feel that way about the schools I went to. I studied chemistry and while some of the material was good most of my grades were about teacher pleasing and completing arbitrary assignments.
They cared more about layout and formatting than about actual content in project reports.
Edit: I think the main purpose of higher schools is not to learn but to prepare you for corporate life. Accept whatever task is given no matter how stupid or wasteful it is. Also don’t challenge authority because your grades will suffer and if you do it too much you’ll fail.
Absolutely. Universities went from institution that’s taught you how to think outside the box to a place that teaches you how to fill positions at a lab/office/whatever. They don’t want you inventing the future, they want you filling their prescriptions or fixing their phones. It might lead into the old adage that those who don’t know how to do, teach? I don’t buy that, but still…
Think that entirely depends on the school/program
What do you call a med student that got a 1.5 GPA?
Doctor
“Doctor”?
I think you mean “GP”, as in “general practitioner.”
Don’t bring the PhDs into this. Captain Holt would not approve.
Interesting. Do your general practicioners not have doctorates? I wonder what that D stands for in the MD behind her name…
Ofc they do. But the specifier matters.
For instance, would you disagree that the “therapist” part of the title seems a tad less important when there’s something like “orgone” preceding it? Changes the nature, the credibility of what comes after it, no?
I’m not saying medical doctors are into pseudoscience, but we are joking about how badly trained and seemingly unintelligent some of them are. And pointing out “general practitioner” also shows that the doctor didn’t specialise, which sometimes is because of lack of ability.
In Finnish a health clinic is “terveyskeskus”, “health centre”, but a lot of people have come to call them “arvauskeskus” ~ “guessing centre”.
The people who actually excel at med schools rarely get stuck at that level and most of the doctors there are like late 20’s without experience or specialisation and the “intellectual rigour” they put into their work is… unimpressive, at best.
It’s more like they’re using a flow chart for every single thing and can’t understand a word you’re saying.
And that is why we don’t have enough GOs people shitting on them.
I respect people who try, and I respect that doctors can still be learning.
But when they literally mess up nine times out of ten and don’t even know the basic directions they’re supposed to give me for specific lab tests, then they are not skilled enough. Better to have none than to have them fucking it up even further.
When testing for gluten antibodies and before a gastroscopy for celiacs, you’re supposed to be on a gluten containing diet for at least 6-12 weeks. I wasn’t aware of that, but did realise to ask the doctor if me having completely avoided gluten for more than a year would affect the result. “No it won’t affect the result.”
Then I go and give it, and then also google the testing procedure. Every single source says that you need at least two weeks of gluten exposure and >95% of them say 6-12 weeks. I bring this politely to the attention of the doctor. She completely dismisses me and then does some office bullshit so she doesn’t have to see me anymore.
And I’ve honestly started running out of politeness, since it’s been like almost four decades and they’re still having problems with absolutely trivial basic shit. Mostly it’s because of the system that’s conditioned them into acting that way, not their inherent traits.
So it’s not like their education has been entirely wasted, but someone needs to teach them how to think. One should think that critical faculties would be a requirement in being a practicing doctor, but hey-ho, doesn’t seem to apply.
Yeah the normality would require us dying
I’ll take the antibodies every time.
I came up with an analogy for vaccines that I’m thinking might actually penetrate the think skulls of some of these motherfuckers. If you agree, please feel free to use it… It goes like this:
When soldiers are preparing for their life in the service, what do they do? Stand around with their thumbs in their asses waiting for an enemy to attack? No. They train. They train day and night. They train until they have all of the maneuvers and tactics burned into their brains.
They use guns and tanks to defend.
So for defense, most would agree that the soldiers doing the fighting need two main things: training and equipment.
This is the same for your immune system. The equipment that your body needs to mount a good defence comes in the form of vitamins, minerals, and most importantly, calories to keep everything operating as good as it can.
Vaccines are the other side of that equation. They’re the training regimen for your immune system. It’s the practice run before going into a live-fire situation.
Vaccines, in and of themselves, can’t do shit to stop you from getting an infection, or a disease. That’s not what vaccines do. They only train the soldiers of your immune system to recognize and effectively attack the enemy. Without them, your immune system soldiers will take longer to react to a threat because it will simply take longer to recognise it and attack/eliminate it.
That’s it.
I tried using analogies to explain that I need antidepressants just like people need medicine for diabetes or blood pressure and my mother said I need just need to wear some necklace to fights the evil spirits and that chemicals are bad blahh blahh I just… 🤦♂️
You can’t fight conservatives with logic, and when there are crazies using mainstream media to amplify their craziness, conspiracy theories and spiritualism seems even more legitimte to them, they think that science and spirialtualisn are on equal footing and each is equally valid. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ (yea I used the facepalm emoji twice in one comment, because emphasis is needed)
P.S. For context, my parents are not your typical white American christians in the deep south that you normally hear about online, if you think its just that stereotypical demographic beliving in weird things; they are agnostic theists (not sure what their “religion” really is btw, they dont visit religious buildings) and we are ethnic Chinese that are living in the US at the moment.
No analogy will get through to them because you don’t understand the problem.
It’s not about a lack of understanding on how vaccines work or the basic physics/biology/etc. behind it. It’s about a not unfounded mistrust of media and medicine.
To use a medical analogy; you’re providing a vaccine after they’ve gone into sepsis and are surprised that it’s not curative.
Just show them this comic
The problem isn’t with the understanding of how vaccines work, the reason idiots don’t want vaccines is they dont trust what you’re telling them is the case.
In their mind, these soldiers you’re training are better if they’re naturally fit and learning how to fight through real world experience.
And this “training” you’re giving your soldiers, is actually just Al-Qaeda’s communist lgbtqia+/? agenda being pushed by Joe Biden and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (in their mind).
Here’s the thing: you can’t use logic to reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.
Yeah.
I think it’s important to give explanations like Mystik’s loudly and often, and maybe a bit quipier if it’s too long, because constant exposure to talk radio and other conservative propaganda is partly why they fell into this trap in the first place.
But if they’re not listening, you just gotta call them stupid weirdos and make them feel uncomfortable in public. Make their friends laugh at them, make it seem like your side is having more fun. The fear of being excluded will eventually pull them over, willingly or not.
Unless it doesn’t. In which case, we’re talking about a breakdown of the social order that is… I don’t even know, man. That might be beyond fixing.
But if they’re not listening, you just gotta call them stupid weirdos and make them feel uncomfortable in public. Make their friends laugh at them, make it seem like your side is having more fun. The fear of being excluded will eventually pull them over, willingly or not.
I’m glad that you’re engaging with the topic, but that suggestion won’t help. Publicly embarrassing someone who is holding onto an emotional belief like ‘I can never trust the companies that make vaccines.’ just pushes them to double down. Vaccine hesitancy and how to address it is a well studied topic and any form of attack just pushes the person into defense mode.
The best solution is actually compassion from those the vaccine hesitant most love and trust. Vaccine hesitancy begins with a lack of trust in the medical profession. Which may or may not be well founded, the medical community has some bad people in it.
Regardless, saying to your loved one “Okay you don’t trust the scientists, but you do trust me, and I trust the science on this one.” Is much more effective than arguing or publicly embarrassing someone.
just pushes them to double down.
It pushes them out of communities. You’re not really understanding the strategy here. The point is not to make them believe, it is to silence their ideas with a bit of social conformity. This is the same reason you kick nazis out of your bar before they start bringing their friends.
If you make life difficult for people with obscenely bad ideas, you encourage them to either stop or at least be quiet about it. That quiet inhibits spread. It creates new taboos that people are afraid to cross.
Regardless, saying to your loved one "Okay you don’t trust the scientists, but you do trust me, […]
Their loved ones are welcome to do this. They should, actually. I can’t really help them do that, though.
The flaw in your reasoning is that it is outdated by almost 2 decades. Being pushed out of their community doesn’t mean as much when they can just go online and find a new community that tells them all their opinions are right and everyone else is a sheep.
Not bad. Grabbing them right by their military worship.
This is exactly what I’m thinking.
Thank you.
Only error is he’s talking about defense, while they invariably do offense against countries not bowing to their wishes
Are you trying to say my immune system has guns? Now I feel even more American!
Technically they’re more stabby
Oooh, white blood cells with bayonets! I’m in…
It’s more like giving the army steroids. Hm, seems like something right wingers would support. Wonder why?
People with hip replacements can walk again for years afterwards. This is not normal.
Naturally , people die before age 45 and a hell of a lot of women and children do not survive the agony of childbirth
I somehow suspect she is not even using data conditioned by infection history and looking at a mix including individuals that might be recently infected with covid.
How does a medical association allow this person to keep her license?
Tricky, I’m no doctor but I think she’s not exactly incorrect. It isn’t ‘normal’ for us to have vaccines, etc, as vaccines are a -relatively- new thing for humans.
(However, it is better to have them than not.)
This is a “welllllll…she’s technically correct” situation. The problem I have is how she’s framing the issue and if I was her boss, or whatever, I would definitely be on to her to get an explanation of why she’s framing it in an apparently negative way.
Devils Advocate here…
Hypothetically she is right. Making elevated levels of antibodies long after a vaccination or exposure may not be normal…
Now on the flip side, other things that aren’t normal. Air conditioning, 99% of children surviving past their first birthday, solar panels. Just because something isn’t “normal” doesn’t mean that it is bad.
It could also be that we’re being constantly exposed to COVID in 2025 since we failed to contain or eradicate it, and the population never got up to herd-immunity level vaccination rates. Which would explain why the immune system is still making spike protein antigens.
I’m also doubtful about the levels of spike protein antibodies she is claiming, I’d bet that there isn’t a peer reviewed article that supports that claim.
They were new in the 1700s. They are not a new thing for humans today. If you don’t use vaccines you are an outlier to modern society.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes
Elevation (really the force of gravity) has an effect on time, so that’s technically only true at sea level.
If we’re including time dilation in this, so does velocity. This means that the velocity from earth’s rotation that you gain with elevation counteracts the loss in gravity to some extent (I don’t know what the total is, I can’t be fucked doing the maths). It also means that latitude effects time dilation because the equator is moving faster. This means that 60 seconds in south Africa is not exactly the same as a minute at the equator.
While this may sound reasonable at first glance, it is only true most of the time. Sometimes a minute contains 59 or 61 seconds, even in Africa.
This is known as a leap second, named after Usain Bolt leaping over the finish line a second faster than everybody else
Einstein turbo-rolling in his grave, about to bore a hole through the earth to come and spank you
The rotational inertia of Einstein boring through the planet is responsible for leap seconds.
Never in the history of time has a minute contained only 59 seconds. Even in Africa. And it has been decided that from 2035 onwards, we need to alter time itself in order to eradicate this irregular minute.
We can only hope that before that time, we get to experience one of these magical short minutes. It may happen yet.
In Africa, height depends on how tall you are
Savages
Together, we can stop this
Antibodies are LITERALLY the point. It’s the mechanism by which our immune system identifies pathogens and triggers an immune response to them. If they diminish, your immune system is slower to respond and less effective at doing so. If they’re gone, it’s as if your immune system has never seen the pathogen before and has to adapt from zero again. Vaccines are a way to arm you with those antibodies without as much risk either from genuine infection or your immune system killing you in the attempt to figure out how to kill the new pathogen. You want the antibodies. They keep you healthier.
TL;DR: Vaccine=Antibodies=Good
That doesn’t sound scary at all now that you say it that way.
Please make it scary again so I can fear it and believe it.
Don’t worry. The people who were really scared never stopped. They didn’t get their vaccinations (education) and are susceptible to all kinds of infections (bullshit).
You’re preaching to the choir, brother.
Microplastics are found in significantly larger numbers within the bodies of anyone living today than in people who died hundreds of years ago. Living without microplastics is lethal.
More people die by swimming in water than by swimming in gas.
Ban water!That’s definitely false. Only a small percentage of people globally die while in water, while nearly everybody dies in a gas.
Plus, you are ignoring the addictive properties of gasses. While withdrawal symptoms of moderately addictive water take days to get serious, the withdrawal symptoms of much more addictive gases occur within only a couple minutes.
Lies of big water lobby.
This person is full of gas!!
Hydro-haterz
The dangers of di hydrogen monoxide are well documented.
I’m not sure if that’s gaseous matter or gasoline, but I imagine both are true
As a professional fartographer, is that your official fartographical ANALysis?
Peer reviews of my research accuse my paper of circling the subject area. Once grant funding was removed and I was pushed out, I had to shit or get off the pot, so you may find my data sets complete even though I wasn’t able to fully finish identifying correlation/causation. It’s not exactly inconclusive; it’s more that the overall analysis was open but whole.
So, the research does support my claims, even though some have accused me of being full of crap.
poop
You want spike protein antibodies. That’s the point!
Years after? That would be great news.
I thought the protection period was way shorter, on the order of one year?
Yea starts waning after a year but there is a phenomenon called back boost is that if you get reinfected a year later with another variant, this still boosts antibodies to the variant of previous infections/vaccs. I suspect she might not have conditioned to select individuals with no recent infections. Also happens in regular vaccines (maybe less in magnitude than mRNA, that I don’t know). Without this memory we would be toast and this lady does not even know this or does not know statistics. I hope she is not in some serious capacity for making healthcare decisions.
I think it depends on what you’re trying to prevent. Flu vaccines have to adapt to rapidly evolving new strains every year, but you would still be immune to the specific strain in the vaccine for a long period.
Yeah, I didn’t know that. I’m glad I’m protected for longer. Thanks modern medicine!
& thank you Moderna medicine 😁 !
One year is more like the protection is so good that you probably won’t even get sick.
I think it also depends a lot on the vaccine though. Something like meningitis or the MMR seem to be much much longer lasting, when you’ve had your shots you don’t need them again.
Probably someone who knows more about vaccines can explain it better.
Something like meningitis or the MMR seem to be much much longer lasting, when you’ve had your shots you don’t need them again.
Right, yes. Sorry, I was implicitly assuming this was about Covid Vaccines again, which seem to be the focus of “Vaccine Skeptics”
“people who drink water have more hydrogen dioxide molecules in them”
edit: yes i see my error now and ill just leave it 💃
Bro here drinking HO2
It’s Lemmy, of course we’re going to see radicals.
Everyone looks annoyed except Stalin who is just happy to get to wear his rhino costume.
He’s thinking about all the murdering his friends he’s going to do
I never realized how much colm meaney looks like Gorbachev.
Who is the guy on the right?
Slow-clap.
guess i mustve because my brain doesnt work 🧚♀️
Dihydrogen monoxide maybe
Hydronium H3O+ is the most corrosive acids. Hydroxide OH- is the most corrosive alkaline.
If you mix them together in a solution you get Hydronium Hydroxide; also known and (2)DiHydrogen Monoxide.
incorrect
Bro did you know that just one molecule of H2O has more hydrogen atoms than there are stars in the solar system!? Like woahhhh
Look, video may have been responsible for the murder of one, but we still have plenty of them in the solar system.
It’s okay. I’m so bad at science I had to reread it like 5 times and type it out to realize why what you said was wrong.
There are more hydrogen atoms in a single molecule of water, than there are stars in the solar system
Added context: you are wrong, and uneducated.
I mean, isn’t she technically right? If presented out of context, that statement seems true and the community note doesn’t contradict it. At least if we consider “normal” to be some baseline value without the vaccine. It’s not explicitly stated that “normal” would be preferable.
No, she’s not technically right.
If I have a white shirt and suddenly it turns blue, that’s not normal.
If I have a white shirt and I dye it blue, and then it is blue, that is 100% normal and expected.
Antibodies increasing after vaccination is how vaccines work. It would be abnormal if the antibody levels stayed the same.
That’s up to what one considers normal in a given situation. I think I was quite clear about how I was using the word “normal” in my comment there. If I down a sixpack of beer, then I think most would agree that my blood alcohol content would be above normal, no matter how much that is to be expected. Yes, it would be normal for a person who just drank six beers, but not normal for humans as a whole. Oh and the amount of microplastics in both our brains might as well be considered “normal”, given that the world is as fucked as it is.
Now, the argument can obviously made that being vaccinated is a lot more normalized than being drunk is, but since she’s talking about the concept of vaccination as a whole, I think the current standards of normalcy are not what she’s using. By the standards she might be argued to be using, it’s a lot more normal to die of polio. In the history of our species, it’s quite abnormal to be able to talk to people on the other side of the planet or to live past 60 or to get vaccinated.
I fully agree that the tweet is misinformation at best. I’ve just seen way too many of these fuckers weasel their way out on technicalities when confronted about it.
Your suggestion of a baseline unvaccinated value is worthless in this context, I think my analogy makes that clear.
If you were comparing two different vaccines for the same virus, and one had an initial massive increase in antibody levels that then fell off, and the other just showed an increase with no falloff, that would be a meaningful comparison.
Nobody is comparing two different vaccines here. The original statement is about vaccinations as a whole, in which case the only relevant baseline is the one without vaccines.
By the way the sentence is built up it gives the implication that it is definitely not preferable. So why she’s technically correct, she’s socially (?) incorrect
She’s either trying to deceive the gullible or needs her license to be revoked.
