Wait till you read about the meme wars. This goes deeper than most people know.
the normalization of nazi culture makes me want to fucking die
The fuckers can carry on knocking each other off and Vlad should advise them to use the 6th floor windows and balconies instead of bullets.
Context? What’s the other faction? The first one is likely https://wiki.froth.zone/wiki/Groypers?lang=en but I dunno the second.
The other faction got shot in the neck.
This isn’t even getting to the part where Nick Fuentes gets red in the face arguing that he’s definitely a real incel, and denying accusations that he secretly gets laid.
He fucked that catboy didn’t he?
I wonder if he found a cute catboy earlier in life he would have turned out differently
From what I’m gathering, it seems like one group is more “traditionally” American racism… And the other group is more like WW2 Nazi racists?
Either way, they’re racists and not worth the oxygen they’re consuming.
Can I just continue to have incredible distain for all racism? Because I’d hate to be branded as a sympathizer to either group. They both sound horrible.
The only surprising thing to me here is that racists hate eachother enough for this level of violence. I don’t necessarily consider that a bad thing, I just thought they would… I dunno, bond over their mutual hatred of other races, rather than fight eachother over who is more racist.
… Not that I’m complaining. Having racists kill other racists makes it easier to fight against the groups that remain. Both groups of racists deserve to be put down. Not that I have the ability, capability, opportunity nor motivation to do that work myself… I’m just not going to complain when one group kills the other, and the first group ends up in jail for life because of it. Honestly, that’s an absolute win IMO.
Authoritarians, which are not unrelated to racism, if left alone, will start stripping rights from each other. In a spherical cow sense, they can’t really bond with each other because they fundamentally hate other people, like as a concept. This is also sorta why their social media sites never take off.
Edgelords that treat their racism and violence as fuel for shitposts
vs.
Traditional “Brick and mortar and nooses” racists
Potato, potato.
So the one thing about fascism, especially in its late stages, is that it tends to eat itself alive. When they run out of enemies, they create enemies.
late stage
You are far more optimistic than I, my friend.
I mean the government isn’t necessarily late stage but if the fascists are fighting over who’s the biggest fascist that means shit’s up.
Maybe, but authoritarian regimes do often purge their ranks, and it doesn’t always mean anything significant is going down.
While I agree fascist tend to indulge in self harm via factionalism, I don’t think this is really that, nor is it late stage. We’re approaching the stage where the fascist shed their traditional conservative mask and start enforcing their real ideology over the traditional conservative party.
People forget that 4 years before the Nazi started their purge on greater German society during Kristallnacht they first purged and consolidated power in their own house during the night of the long knives.
This is it.
The “true believers” in neoliberal conservative values are useful to make the rightward march to increasingly reactionary politics seem proper and reasonable to anyone who isn’t paying attention.
But when shit is about to go down those same talking heads are a liability if they aren’t cool with barely contained barbarism.
This is not the late stages. This is not even the honeymoon.
According to the show and soon to be documentary, Cyberpunk 2077, it’s gonna get weird.
My one consolation over finding out about this whole fight between different groups of fascists (besides the fact that the fascists are fighting each other, that’s always a net positive) is that I can refer to it as gang violence.
Kirk was killed in a turf war between his gang and a rival gang immediately after trying to downplay mass shootings by asking “with or without gang violence?”
Wasn’t he saying something about “gang violence” literally the moment he got shot?
His literal last words before being shot were answering the question of if he knew how many shootings there have been in the past 10 years (after blaming them on trans people one question before) with, “With or without gang violence?” Not even a second later he had a fountain of blood spurting from his neck.
Just when I thought it couldn’t get any more ironic
Yes you can. But nobody else will, especially not those in power, because we live in an extremely racist “culture.”
Of course they won’t, but you can rage bait conservatives super hard with it by twisting every racist thing they say about black people being gang-bangers back on them.
It’s about whether you hate Jewish people the right way or not. It has nothing to do with brown people as both groups equally hate them.
Kirk supports Israel and Fuentes and the groypers do not.
Kirk supports Israel and Fuentes and the groypers do not.
supported please.
Im sorry, what are you asking for?
I enjoy the use of past tense when he is mentioned. Now that we know he died by the hands of people just like him its even better. White on white. Hate on hate.
Other than the fact both were white Im not sure you can say they are “just like him”. There’s some significant differences in their views even if he turns out to be a groyper.
The only real difference is one was pro Israel and the other wasn’t.
Exactly, Kirk would let my Jewish family members he but would really hope they move to Israel so they can die and Jesus return. Fuentes would outwardly hate these same family members.
There’s some significant differences in their views
lmao. Ok yeah. Deep differences between nazis and the kkk too. Real important to remember!!! \s \s \s jfc.
there are difference between nazis and the KKK and you would have to be incredibly ignorant to not see them if you look for them. You dont fight brain cancer and skin cancer the same way despite both being cancers.
Nazis hate ______ and KKK hates ______
Both believe white christians are a “superior race” and use fear, disinformation, and violence to make their views clear.
What’s the difference outside of who’s the target of their ire?
I think they are asking you to use past tense even discussing attributes of the awful former human charlie kirk.
I see it as a light hearted joke, but with an undertone of “but seriously fuck that guy – sorry, former guy”
This
parrotracist has ceased to be! He is a former bigot!“light hearted” yeah my heart soars
I didn’t even know about the Groypers till Charlie Kirk was killed by one.
I only knew Nick Fuentes as “That guy who tried to sue Antifa” and later “The Right Winger who disavowed Trump in 2024”
Apparently there’s controversy about him not “really” being an Incel because he had a girlfriend in high school, and he believes anything outside of being celibate is gay, because being affectionate with a woman is unmanly… and I’m like…
“This is too much even for me.”
I didn’t even know about Charlie Kirk until Charlie Kirk was killed by a groyper. I knew there was some rightwing crank being mocked for having a tiny face on a huge head, but that was it. My main reaction after the shooting was “damn, that really is a tiny face”.
He was the splitting image of the default Mii character.
They had to go for the neck because the face was too small a target.
I only learned about him when I was still on Reddit via people posting quotes on the ‘whitepeopletwitter’ subreddit. Between him, Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh being constantly posted there, I damn near lost my mind at the sheer combined idiocy of them all and had to unsub.
Lol exactly the same here
Wait’ll you hear about that time Fuentes accidentally streamed himself watching gay porn. Or his date with a catboy!
Go on
I have a feeling the trial is going to be a cringe fest of internet memes. Lawyers explaining to the jury what 4chan and pepe is. The trial Charlie Kirk deserves.
“So how do we know this chinese furry sniper known as 4chan might not be a Muslim?”
https://youtu.be/EM-booRzCYY https://youtu.be/3KO8OPejaXY?t=3m18s
I don’t think I understand any of what’s being said here. Don’t know the term, don’t know the references being made in the post.
Yeah OP doesn’t explain. Have a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
TL:DR turbo racists who don’t find Trump or Kirk racist enough.
Wth, I went to urban dictionary for the explanation, and there was a wikipedia page about it all along?!
In late 2022 and early 2023, the Groyper movement shifted away from its longtime position of supporting Trump and instead began promoting Kanye West’s presidential campaign.
How does this …even fit
I reckon they’re just a bunch of turbo-charged trollers that only say stuff to get a rise out of people. Consistency isn’t important to them.
Nick Fuentes and Kanye became friends at some point. I wish I was kidding.
As always with fascism, the blatant contradictions are a feature not a bug.
“”““friends””“”
That totally makes sense. A black man and an ulra-racist anti-black became friends
Kayne West is a crazy Nazi, didn’t you know? It’s not like being black would make him immune to fascism.
Thanks for the context. Also, wtf
Thanks for this! I noticed when I share in detail, there’s still commenters (who get highly upvoted) that argue with what I discovered. Especially when it’s so ridiculously cartoonish like whatever this Groyper movement is.
So I elected to share it and go, “Dog, this info is wild y’all gotta do your own research because wtf.”
Fortunately for this one, Wikipedia has a lot of good detail about them. And in the future, I’ll remember to share those links if I spot them and they’re highly credible.
I KNOW RIGHT???
And people were like “oh the killer carved UWU what’s this and Helldivers 2 memes on his bullets, that’s common in Groyper circles”
Bro are you talking aboutttttt, what do you mean???
I just find it absurd how these niche-in-a-niche-in-a-niche communities develop and how seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles inside, it reaches a point where I’m just like dude, our lizard brains can’t handle the internet. We just weren’t wired to work like this, there’s no wayI saw someone who described the murder as a shitpost and that scarily makes sense.
The world’s first shitpost murder. Insane.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/46016750
Here’s the link.
seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles
My favorite thing is the neonazis wearing pleated khakis. Like, the only item of clothing even nerdier than that is lederhosen.
If this is gonna be a One Piece pirate flag kinda future, does that mean we can wear sailor slops?
My nephew is being sent to an evangelical school whose uniform is khakis and a choice of a red or blue polo shirt. Want to guess which color is social suicide?
Im no longer talking to that part of my family.
Do they all look like they work at Target?
No, these are expensive khakis.
I really, truly, with all of my being, feel that we are reaching the end limits of what the human mind is currently able to contend with. We are so overstimulated it’s insane. We literally need to evolve our physical bodies as a species to continue living as we are or we will literally die.
Sorry man, but it’s going to get worse before it gets better.
And I have no idea if it’s ever getting better
I don’t even want to bring up brain chips, there’s plenty of people who already think they have them. Imagine the psychosis.
Or maybe just not go on the internet so much?
Most people are addicted. It’s like you are saying “Just stop smoking cigarettes so often”
That’s a more reasonable suggestion than “evolve more lungs”
I’m not even sure anymore what this analogy is about but 🤣
With cigarettes, we recognized the harm that they did and in response developed a series of regulations about where they could be used, who could use them when, how they could be advertised, warning labels that had to be applied, and taxes on them to discourage use and offset the societal harm. As result we get this:
…and this…
The internet is a tricky one on account of it absolutely having crossover with the first amendment, but there’s got to be a conversation about its effect on mental health and what if anything can be done in response.
Personally I am in favor of regulating the internet but the potential censorship concerns are a serious issue with actually doing it
now do meat and the leading causes of human death
There is no limit. Things are really really bad? They can always get worse. Rock bottom is a flawed analogy.
The drill is mightier than the rock
I’m a grown-ass, nearly 40 year-old family man, and I fucking know what “uwu” is. These idiots think they’re “exposing the conspiracy”, when in reality anyone who has spent more than 4 seconds researching any meme would immediately recognize it.
It wasn’t even “uwu” meme
It was the “OwO what’s this?” Meme. Which makes it even weirder/funnier/messed up
Same difference. It’s used interchangeably.
eh, not really.
one is more a “uwu sowwy” the other is surprised/shocked/curious expression
What’s the difference? ELIA5 please, I don’t know if I have time to go down this rabbit hole myself.
One is a generic emoticon, while “OwO what’s this?” is an (in)famous meme from the furry fandom
I still don’t understand, but I learned one thing, when a meme seems to do not have a meaning, it’s fascists crap.
Those guys always miss humor totally.
It’s this face. Like :) is a smile and xD is supposed to be somebody laughing so hard their eyes have squinted shut.
owo is the same face, but the eyes are open.
Edit: I have misread. You do understand it lmao
I always equated “XD” with Eric Cartman 😂
Edit: I have misread. You do understand it lmao
No worries!
I can’t even parse that as a face
It should be a war crime to explain to my mother what a groyper is, what “OWO” is and how to pronounce it.
Oh-woo-oh, obviously. Just imagine the cringe if your mom decides to joke with OwO and UwU to her friends, it’ll be worth it
Matching cat ear headbands in human and cat sizes, emblazoned with “RAWR XD”
I’ve no idea what this means, but if they’re just racist PoS I don’t think I care about nuance.
Basically Kirk was MAGA, the shooter was from a group called ‘groypers’ led by Nick Fuentes. There’s an online meme ‘persona’ of sorts called Pepe, who I guess the groypers use as a mascot. Which is a shame as some of the Pepe content is pretty awesome. It’s the punisher skull shit all over again. Anyway, infighting between facist groups, groypers being the more extreme far right group, which I didn’t think was possible but here we are.
It’s the punisher skull shit all over again
It’s so true. Conservatives are so uncreative that they miss the most basic elements of storytelling that most of us grasp as children.
They haven’t made anything creative of their own since the swastika, and even that was stolen from Hindus. All they do is take take take, and then ruin everything they fucking touch.
They adopted Pepe?
That’s a shame. It was a good meme there for a while. I had no idea that it was being tied to racist bullshit.
Thanks for the heads up. I guess I can’t use that meme anymore. I don’t want to be associated with these chuckle fucks.
they co-opted pepe, much like with punisher logo to twist it.
Pepe is actually a reclaimed racist meme. Most of this 4chan racism about the frog is from 2016 or so. If you’re ever on twitch, you’ll see it all over the place because it’s a huge part of their culture.
Yeah there’s a documentary about the guy who created pepe and how he hates that it’s been co-opted by awful people. I forget what it’s called.
Seriously? For like 15 years, you’ve only seen pepes posted by people who don’t mind being mistaken for a racist.
I never made the association. Idk. Maybe I haven’t been looking carefully enough.
To be fair, I don’t seem to encounter a lot of racists, because I usually actively avoid them, and I also really haven’t used Pepe very much either.
There’s no lack of memes to replace Pepe, so I’m mostly unbothered by all of this.
I’ve been on the Internet too long to bother with every nuance of everything that’s going on. There’s way too much on here for me to care.
Honestly you’re not alone. This is the first I’ve heard to any extent that Pepe was used by racists at all. I’ve seen some pretty heartfelt animations using the likeness and no hint to any extent that racism was somehow attached to it.
Jesus dude. Go back and look at all those pepe posts. Recognise the pattern
Maybe I’m not chronically online enough or in whatever channels where whatever you’re talking about is going on as I’m not even sure where it is I would go to ‘go back and look’. Are there like entire communities sharing pepe memes or something?
Yeah. I figured as much. There’s still a lot of lurkers on Lemmy, and I assume that at least some of them have seen the comments and agreed at some extent.
Though, someone seems to be down voting comments around here. I dunno, I’m just some dude.
I’ve noticed a lot more down votes lately and I have no idea why. I still couldn’t give any less of a shit if I’m down voted or not, it’s just an interesting trend for my brain to look at.
Have a good day friend.
whup, complaining about downboats or bragging about upvotes is an automatic downvote. Do I have to teach you EVERYTHING about Internetting??
Yup, I’ve noticed the same. You have a good one as well!
