Also I want to hear from you, is it ethical and why?
I mean you have to buy it on your own accord, culture your own cells, and then successfully cook and eat them. As long as you aren’t stealing other people’s cells to eat them without their consent it seems more ethical than the current meat industry.
stealing other people’s cells to eat them
This will become a sex thing for sure
I made a post about that a while ago: https://feddit.uk/post/14228639
Well if they combine that with 3D printed cell scaffolds they can eventually make a flesh fleshlight out of their own cells
The time is coming for the most involved “go fuck yourself” ever.
Streets ahead
3D printed cell scaffolds combined with this mean you can shape them
Now I wonder if someone has actually tried making a dildo from cultured flesh and skin
There’s a (pretty great) movie where cannibalism is treated as a substitute for sex. It’s called Aamis.
But it’s still cannibalism, yeah? If someone consented to be eaten before they died or even wished for it, would you be OK with eating them?
We have to draw some sort of line here though. Will this give you prions? Does this end the person’s life like traditional cannibalism usually does? Theres a lot to unpack in these tiny man steaks. I’d still rather people be growing their own meat at home in a petri dish than having animals locked in cages for eternity.
would you be OK with eating them
are they yummy ?
So, if it were the original cells, then it would be autocannibalism, since these are cloned cells (from what I gather) it’s technically not the same thing. [Edit: Personally, it’s a bit of a tossup in my mind. I don’t think it’s unethical, but it’s still a weird thing]
This is unironically one of my favourite questions to ask new friends. I’ve gotten a variety of answers, but my own response has always been yes, if the person was healthy and had clearly consented.
In my opinion, cannibalism is bad for two main reasons, 1) it can be unsafe if the person was ill, the meat has spoiled, or if it’s done too often (this has been studied in cannibalistic rituals) and 2) it’s unethical if the person doesn’t consent to it.
Eating animal meat is non consensual and there can be diseases in there too - many people have died from it. Just because it’s more socially acceptable, I don’t really see it as an ethically better decision.
I would 100% at least try my own home grown meat cells.
Damn, I love your response, even though I don’t know of I agree! Are you Vegan?
I personally see it as No, because I see us humans as special. Speaking as an atheist, end of day, we are special as humans.
I eat meat, I try to limit it to the ethically harvested. Hunted, family farm grown, it even tastes the best, any concerns aside. But eating a person is WRONG, consent or no.
It’s interesting that you ask if they are vegan, as if understanding the ethical problems of eating meat would only be valid if you are also strictly vegan.
You evidently understand it is not completely ethically correct to eat animals in all circumstances, as you say you only eat ethically harvested meat. But you also say you believe humans to be special as a reason to eat animals, so why not eat all animals under all circumstances?
The main point though, why would it still be wrong to eat human meat if lab grown and consensual?
Why is it wrong though? And why/how are people special? You didn’t provide any reasoning to either.
I’m not vegan or vegetarian anymore because I have a lot of allergies that prevent me from eating plant based anything. But I also try to limit it to locally and ethically harvested when I do eat meat.
I identify as agnostic and definitely don’t believe that any one living being is better or more special than the others (except maybe cats).
Also I want to hear from you, is it ethical and why?
I don’t see why not. It hurts nobody, except maybe yourself. Not sure what the nutrition is on this thing.
My hunch is that, as proposed, this is the most ethical form of meat consumption because the meat is being taken and consumed with consent from the donor. (Yourself) And there’s no living creature that even suffers from the process
“No living creature suffers”? You’re wrong! Cells live, and they’ll suffer death by consumption!
/j :P
Clearly you haven’t been to Milliways, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.
I was once but that was a long while ago. I don’t remember much of that book lol
Incoming: nonconsensual meat grown from samples illicitly taken against someone’s will.
Imagine the network of Taylor Swift DNA trading.
And you know someone is going to fuck it.
What are the ethics of fucking a steak made from a non-consenting Taylor Swift’s tissue sample?
Unethical??
I’d agree that taking the sample is unethical, but if you’re growing the steak from a sample someone else got or fucking it the ethical lines get really blurry.
Idk, I don’t think they’re that blurry if we compare them to similar “conundrums” in other unethical circumstances.
Like, would you think the same of someone owning child porn? They don’t distribute it, they don’t film the children themselves, they just own the recordings. The law says they’re a criminal, but it seems like a similar ethical conundrum - no? (To be clear, I think eating meat sourced from someone who did not consent is wrong. I hope that says enough about how I feel about CP.)
How about owning the schematics for a ghost gun? You haven’t printed it, you haven’t distributed the schematic - you just own the schematic (and, for the purpose of the example, a 3d printer capable of printing the parts needed).
Seems like the answer is “it’s unethical”. Gonna need a third party to weigh in.
The closest thing to this exact situation would be the HeLa immortal cell line and that situation is fuzzy as fuck.
So I think it’s more like if u got a papermache piñata from some one that just so happened to be made of child porn and then u fucked that… Yeah seems unethical to me
You aren’t seeing the big picture here…hear me out:
TRUMP STEAKS, but the real deal this time!!!
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Wasn’t there a short story about this?
I remember a magic school bus episode about kid flavored ice cream
nonconsensual meat grown from samples illicitly taken against someone’s will.
Meat is already produced without consent and much more violently then taking samples.
But how else will we know which neighbor tastes the best?
auto cannibalism? %100 sure there will be tv shows about who has the best taste and the texture as well as onlyfans models selling cells from different parts of their body for astronomic prices
I bet I taste delicious!
This is ethical despite it walking the line of taboo. It hurts no one, and if the tissue sample can be extracted at home without causing damage to the donor I see no issue with it.
It’s unethical because it’s gross and I personally don’t like it.
This guy understands the root of ethics
I mean it worked for gay sex!
Anyone who doesn’t like gay sex hasn’t tried it.
Meh, not everyone is good at sex no matter the proclivity
Why not take the cells of farm animals and create steaks, etc?
Sure, but where’s the upside? (ethically, not sure if consuming your own meat could have some sort of weird effect on you, even though afaik the usual cannibalism issues wouldn’t apply). If anything it’s more ethical to take it from yourself because you consent to it, the farm animal probably doesn’t.
without causing harm to animals
- Humans are animals
- Growing me-steak and eating it causes psychic damage
- Therefore, an animal was harmed
Just don’t get psychic damage, skill issue ngl
If we cultured cells from someone with an autocannibalism fetish, would it then be OK?
Like I take 1d4 psychic damage whenever I see furries at cons, but I don’t think they should have to be banned
I don’t think you can generalize that. I’d love to have little me-steaks and I’d even share them with friends, especially if they can be a Möbius strip.
As long as the human chooses to grow their me-steaks themselves I see no issue.
So what do we feed the cells to allow them to grow?
the process still relies on fetal bovine serum (FBS) as a protein-rich growth supplement for animal cell cultures.
FBS, which costs around £300 to £700 per litre
That’s a fancy serum made from cow blood
Also this all comes from a submission to an art museum in 2020, it’s not supposed to be an actual product it’s more of a proof of concept type of thing.
Right, I assumed we weren’t about to see this on shelves or anything like that any time soon. But man that could do a lot for animal ethics
I’m putting ten in the bathtub and naming it Steve.
Haha I’ve been saying for fucking years that boutique lab growing meat outlets will pop up selling exotic animal meats and celebrity human meat. We are getting close to that future
Its not the ‘eat the rich’ that I was hoping for… Might be the one we deserve.
Eat the rich (onlyfans celebrities).
Oh God, the amount of people lining up to buy an OF persons meat…
😬
They can include the bath water for half price so you can make soup!
“I’ll take a burger, mediums rare, & let’s do a 50/50 blend of Ground Chuck & Beyoncé on Sourdough.”
Wretched vore future unlocked.
Ground Chuck
Palahniuk or Norris?
Palahnuik has written an auto cannibalism scene. In Haunted, girl passes out, other people decide to eat her (framing story is that it’s a reality tv show, but they all want it to go wrong and kill each other, it is extremely fucked up and is where “Guts” is from if you’ve ever been subjected to that). She wakes up to the smell of her own ass in the microwave.
The former seems more appropriate.
Republican meat is ewwh
What are the chances this doesn’t result in a rise of (traditional) cannibalism? High profile cannibalism case where they tasted a sample of a celebrity and went for the real deal.
That wasn’t on my bingo card…
Of course it’s ethical, unless I’m seriously misunderstanding something you literally have to make the decision to buy it and then partake in it.
I guess you can use it unethically but by default intended usage it’s fine
Don’t you get prions from canibalism
Also if this costs less than supermarket meat I could buy some beef and clone it
Yes and no. You get prions from eating a person that’s also infected with prions. Basically if you eat cloned meat of yourself it should be fine as you either already have prions, or you don’t already have prions. Prions manifest as either CJD if you got it naturally or Kuru if you got it through canibalism.
Is muscle tissue even infectious? (Especially when grown from a few cells) Don’t you need to eat some brain or spinal cord?
Eating brain/spinal cord is not required to contract a prion disease; prions can also be spread through any biological medium where protein material is located, for instance, blood. This is the reason why those who have CJD or other TSEs in their family are unable to donate blood.
This is also how vampires became extinct.
The blood relative thing is kind of silly, it should be mothers only but it also bans you if your father contracted it after you were born.
The reason for that actually makes sense. It’s rarely clear how and when someone contracted a prion disease at time of diagnosis, and often it is unclear which specific prion disease a person has. While it may seem that a father contracted a prion disease after you were born, it could also be that the father has an inheritable prion disease that you too may have inherited.
I think the brain is only where the concentration of prions is highest and therefore the most dangerous part of an infected person to eat, but you can also get it from other body parts. But I’m no expert… haven’t eaten anyone in years actually.
Art project from 2020 - intended to provoke the conversations here for sure. Still involves some animal products in production it looks like.
I don’t think this could be feasibly upscaled to sustain a dystopia.
Looks cool. Will take a chance to try and grow my own steak, but i probably wont eat it.
Wait. Isnt this infinite food? Cut off 1cm2 of skin, grow a steak, and ‘free’ dinner? Lets actually read thw article.
You would have to “feed” it nutrition while it grows into the steak, so not infinite and not free unfortunately
Would any of you care to taste my meat?
