• SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    592·
    3 months ago

    I don’t call them Nazis because I dislike them, I dislike them because they’re Nazis.

    • kameecoding@lemmy.world
      172·
      3 months ago

      No they are fascists, Nazi was the shorthand for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), the first 4 letters.

      Fascism gets its name from Italy, Mussolini’s Fascist Party, but it is the name for the political ideology as a whole, there is no Nazism and Americans being called Nazis is kinda weird, imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.

      Thanks for coming to my stickler talk.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        14·
        3 months ago

        If the situation were flipped, and Hitler was rising to power ~80 years after we had a massive war to take out MAGA fascists, then yeah I think people would refer to them as “MAGA”, at least at first.

        Nazi means refers to National Socialist, but at this point in history, it can also just refer to political movements that are fascist and Nazi-like. The meanings of words shift over time.

        Edit: Fixed to appease a pedant.

        • kameecoding@lemmy.world
          13·
          3 months ago

          Nazi doesn’t mean national socialist, as I said it’s literally just the first 4 letters, a shorthand a nickname, American version for Republicans would be Repu/Repus.

          Lots of people I have seen that think it’s Nazi because the Sozialistische has the Zi, it’s nonsense, Nazional is how germans pronounce National, hence it’s shortened to Nazi.

      • Humana@lemmy.world
        9·
        3 months ago

        I don’t live in America, and many people here actually do use MAGA or Trumpism to describe the local right wing people and parties because they are largely just copying America…

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        3 months ago

        imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.

        It’s semantics. The German and American fascists all pull from the same ideological and rhetorical playbook.

        Veneration of the national security state. Zealous religious orthodoxy. Obsession with loyalty oaths and ethnicity sorting. Reflexive xenophobia. Institutionalized quackery.

        It’s all the same shit. Same as Apartheid Africa. Same as Kuomanting China. Same as Pinochet’s Chile and Milei’s Argentina.

      • BussyCat@lemmy.world
        3·
        3 months ago

        What do you call people who wear red and black swastikas and say heil Hitler while doing a salute typical of the Nazi party?

  • qarbone@lemmy.worldEnglish
    27·
    3 months ago

    Oh! This is the guy who talked about what a shithead Fetterman was even before the stroke! I could never find it again but I remember his face.

    • Tracaine@lemmy.world
      13·
      3 months ago

      We’ve all been dispirited for months bud. Anyone who acts otherwise is either ignorant or hiding it.

      • ɔiƚoxɘup@infosec.pub
        0·
        3 months ago

        I have a coworker that is not a trumpet and not dispirited. They positively radiate denial. They don’t watch news or keep up on current events. Just a total ostrich.

          • ɔiƚoxɘup@infosec.pub
            2·
            3 months ago

            And that’s by design too isn’t it? Keep everyone exhausted keep everyone busy keep everyone watching everything and there’s too much for any one person to follow, any group to follow and so if they throw enough at the wall some of it’s going to stick and that’s what they’ve been doing for the past two Trump terms and that’s what they’re going to continue doing.

  • Soulg@ani.socialEnglish
    17·
    3 months ago

    Watched this yesterday and “Charles Entertainment Kirk” fucking murdered me

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.socialEnglish
    131·
    3 months ago

    Generally, the people who claim the meaning has changed or been watered down are fascists or their sympathizers or prescriptivists that fail to understand how language evolves. Watch them come out of the woodwork to explain how nobody is a nazi because the National Socialist party doesn’t exist anymore. Buncha stupid fucking bastards.

    • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
      2·
      3 months ago

      A dead giveaway is when they start throwing around the word ‘nuance.’

      It must be in the script they’re all taught, because every closet fascist or astroturfer loves defending fascist policies and actions with “nuance.”

    • Randelung@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 months ago

      They’re not literally gassing people, so they can’t be nazis. It’s only after the fact we get to ask who could have seen this coming.

      You know, like they practice with school shootings every day. Desensitization is a big part.

    • Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world
      112·
      3 months ago

      But it has been watered down. Its been watered down by all the culture war weirdos who claim everyone who doesnt agree with them, is a nazi and fascist. And its not just the left aiming at the right, its fucking everyone. Dont like video game? You must be a fascist. Dont like a movie? You must be a nazi!

      Its like “paedo”. That one lost all meaning as well. Even going so far as to label dating 25 year olds “paedo behaviour”. Social media, if it does nothing else, totally ruins the meaning of words in favour of gaining worthless internet up arrows by saying popular thing over and over and over and over again.

      • Ancalagon@lemmy.world
        61·
        3 months ago

        For the first: those are just idiots being idiots. The word isn’t watered down by idiots usage. The word still means the same things. It just means the population around you that believes this is fascist adjacent and an idiot.

        Again hard disagree. It still means diddling kids. There just more idiots around and are more vocal.

        • Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world
          17·
          3 months ago

          A word is watered down when it is used to describe anything and everything. And in case you missed it, we are surrounded by idiots being idiots and doing just that.

  • MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl
    9·
    3 months ago

    fuck that. I wish harm on fascists. lots of it. so much harm that other fascists are scared to even be associated with the word.

    • TeddE@lemmy.world
      3·
      3 months ago

      That’s step two or three, for sure. But the point being made is fascist isn’t a word that can be applied to anyone and everyone (setting aside the 2¢ insult version) - it is a specific political ideology that one earns by their words and actions.

      Unfortunately it is also complex to diagnose, particularly in early stages, especially as intelligent budding fascists will deliberately evade the formal definitions while still finding ways to accomplish similar effects.

      But yes - there’s also cases where fascists clearly and obviously are doing fascist things, and need to be stopped immediately, please feel free to give them a proper knuckle sandwich (or an appropriate grade of violence as the situation warrants)

  • joan@lemmy.world
    83·
    3 months ago

    They don’t mean anything anymore… Seen people on here calling everything from Joe Biden to Buffalo wild wings fascist… (real encounters)

    • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      6·
      3 months ago

      The same thing happened to terrorist, a term that became overused and dead during the IWoT and yet the Trump regime is still trying to leverage that word against his political enemies.

      For my own arguments, I use alternatives to fascist or get specific, such as calling it an autocratic regime that uses fascist rhetoric to justify state violence. That way my readers know I’m talking seriously about a serious thing.

      • SpacePanda@mander.xyz
        3·
        3 months ago

        You know, I thought you were wrong. I looked it up was ready to site sources, watched that video and I really dont know what to think anymore.